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Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you
by Nition 2y ago
Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here.
If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for them by giving your time. The work is more satisfying to the creator as well - if you've ever used something you built yourself that you're proud of vs. something you bought you must have felt this. The AI image that Tania generated in a few seconds might be fun the first time, but quickly becomes just spam filling most of a page of conversation, adding nothing.
If you make up a bedtime story for your child, starring them, with the things they're interested in, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the story but... same thing as above. I don't think Apple's idea of reading an AI story off your phone instead is going to have the same impact.
In a world where you can have anything the value of everything is nothing.
- rising-sky 2y agoYou could say the same thing for sending a Happy Birthday text, versus a hand written letter or card. Nothing is stopping a person from sending the latter today, and yes they are more appreciated, but people also appreciate the text. For example, if you're remote and perhaps don't have that deep of a relationship with them
- anon22981 2y agoYour analogy does not apply at all.
- Nition 2y agoI guess the question is, is sending an AI Happy Birthday image better than sending a Happy Birthday text?
- cchance 2y agoNope their identical, but the AI one at least looks cool lol
- sensanaty 2y agoIf a friend of mine sent me some AI generated slop for my birthday I'd be more offended than if they just sent me a text that only contains the letters "hb"
- Almondsetat 2y agoBirthday cards are slop too
- sensanaty 2y agoThe messages inside of them, which are presumably not AI-generated, aren't however.
- nperrier 2y agoI would argue the same thing applies when you buy a card from Hallmark
- Nition 2y agoI sometimes think the physical world has been going through a similar time, where most of what we own and receive is ephemeral, mass-produced, lacking in real significance. We have a lot more now but it often means a lot less.
- bredren 2y agoI've got a fairly sophisticated and detailed story world I've been building up with my kid, it always starts the same way and there are known characters. We've been building this up for some time, this tiny universe is the most common thing for me to respond to "will you tell me a story?" (something that is requested sometimes several times a day) since it is so deeply ingrained in both our heads. Yesterday, while driving to pick up burritos, I dictated a broad set of detailed points, including the complete introductory sequence to the story to gpt-4o and asked it to tell a new adventure based on all of the context. It did an amazing job at it. I was able to see my kid's reaction in the reflection of the mirrors and it did not take away from what we already had. It actually gave me some new ideas on where I can take it when I'm doing it myself. If people lean on gen ai with none of their own personal, creative contributions they're not going to get interesting results. But I know you can go to the effort to create and create and create and then on top of that layer on gen AI--it can knock it out of the park. In this way, I see gen AI capabilities as simply another tool that can be used best with practice, like a synthesizer after previously only having a piano or organ.
- Nition 2y agoThat's a very valid rebuttal to my comment. I think this kind of "force multiplier" use for AI is the most effective one we have right now; I've noticed the same thing with GPT-4 for programming. I know the code well enough to double check the output, but AI can still save time in writing it, or sometimes come up with a strategy that I may not have. Maybe the fact that you did the dictation together with your child present is also notable. Even though you used the AI, you were still doing an activity together and they see you doing it for them.
- tkgally 2y agoMeta comment: This back-and-forth between Nition and bredren is one of the best exchanges I’ve read on HN recently. Thanks to both of you.
- bradgessler 2y agoThe best articulation of what the industry is currently calling “AI” is “augmented intelligence”—this wording captures that these are tools that can enhance intelligence, not replace it or come up with its own ideas.
- skybrian 2y agoThe value of a gift isn't solely on how much you worked on it or what you spent on it. It can also be in picking out the right one, if you picked something good. Context will be more important when the gift itself is easy.
- cchance 2y agoLOL that image you painstakingly created is also forgotten not long after being given to most people, just because you know the effort that went in doesn't mean the receiving person does 99.9% of the time. Same thing for your kid, the kid likes both stories, gives 0 shit that you used GenAI or sat up for 8 hours trying to figure out the rhyme, those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it.
- tines 2y ago> those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it I don't think this is true at all. Love is proportional to cost; if it costs me nothing, then the love it represents is nothing. When we receive something from someone, we estimate what it cost them based on what we know of them. Until recently, if someone wrote a poem just for us, our estimation of that would often be pretty high because we know approximately what it costs to write a poem. In modern times, that cost calculation is thrown off, because we don't know whether they wrote it themselves (high cost) or generated it (low/no cost).
- cchance 2y agoLove is proportional to cost?!?!?!?! Holy shit thats fucking weird, it costs me 0 to love my mom, i love my mom lol, that doesn't change that fact. Broke mother that can't afford to take care of her kid doesn't not love the kid or vise versa. If your calculating "cost" for if someone is showing nuts, i feel sad for you lol, if my wife buys or makes me something or just says "i love you" they are equivalent, I don't give a shit if she "does something for me that costs her something" she loves me she thought of me. The thought is what matters, if you put extra worth on people struggling to do something meaning more love... thats... ya
- robertjpayne 2y agoHe uses cost in a context of time and effort not directly financial
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- rldjbpin 2y agohaving been bombarded with forwards of "good morning" image greetings from loved ones on a daily basis, i can definitely attest to this sentiment. ai spam, especially the custom emoji/stickers will be interesting in terms of whether they will have any reusability or will be littered like single-use plastic.