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Their desires may or may not be rational in this but clearly Apple isn’t going to allow it. They have a history of doing their own thing.

talldayo 2y ago
Their desires are expressly illegal, in many countries. We're past the whole antitrust stuff now, we are in a post-FAANG society and Apple doesn't just get away with that stuff for free anymore. I'm not crazy for expecting competition. This is also coincidentally the reason I got rid of my Apple products. The experience fucking sucks! The only way things get better is if you buy more hardware, which probably makes the average mall-addicted American smile but makes me want to vomit. Everything is upsell, and not just upsell where you can improve the experience. No, you have to buy Apple's solution because every third-party is wrong and can't be trusted. They will gimp anyone that does not compensate them handsomely and rob the only people brave enough to offer their users an improved experience. The devil takes notes during Tim Cook's business meetings. They deserve everything coming to them, and they know it too. So try it. Watch them go along, "doing their own thing", and then watch them come back limping and bruised after the FTC gives them a worse beating than Microsoft got in the 90s. We know why Apple is mad about this, it doesn't matter. They can go quietly or we can make this a long, protracted process. Microsoft got away lucky when you think about it, still all in one piece.
- skhunted 2y ago
  Sure. I’m agnostic in all this but I do think Apple prefers to build their own AI and worry about anti-trust later.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    How can you "worry about anti-trust later" when you are under active anticompetitive inquiry from three of your largest markets?
    - sib 2y ago
      Because they want to build a better product for users rather than one that's been gimped by regulators?
    - skhunted 2y ago
      In the same way a person or entity does anything. Just do it.
- kaba0 2y ago
  Can you replace the camera firmware in any of your devices? That’s the same category, I don’t think laws tell you anything about that.
- seec 2y ago
  The funniest thing about current Apple is that they don't just upsell you on more hardware (that would be relatively fine) but they also hardcore upsell you on their "services" that are too often lackluster and fucked up in some bizarre way. To the point where they make using their devices without this service upsell and much less desirable experience. It makes the whole point of paying more for better hardware completely moot, because if you going to need to rely on cloud "service" stuff, you might as well get cheaper hardware from the other companies who do that much better than Apple ever did. I like their stuff (well the hardware at least) but I also don't want to buy more stuff from them, it's just not sustainable and they already make too much money anyway.

talldayo 2y ago

Their desires are expressly illegal, in many countries. We're past the whole antitrust stuff now, we are in a post-FAANG society and Apple doesn't just get away with that stuff for free anymore. I'm not crazy for expecting competition. This is also coincidentally the reason I got rid of my Apple products. The experience fucking sucks! The only way things get better is if you buy more hardware, which probably makes the average mall-addicted American smile but makes me want to vomit. Everything is upsell, and not just upsell where you can improve the experience. No, you have to buy Apple's solution because every third-party is wrong and can't be trusted. They will gimp anyone that does not compensate them handsomely and rob the only people brave enough to offer their users an improved experience. The devil takes notes during Tim Cook's business meetings. They deserve everything coming to them, and they know it too. So try it. Watch them go along, "doing their own thing", and then watch them come back limping and bruised after the FTC gives them a worse beating than Microsoft got in the 90s. We know why Apple is mad about this, it doesn't matter. They can go quietly or we can make this a long, protracted process. Microsoft got away lucky when you think about it, still all in one piece.

skhunted 2y ago
Sure. I’m agnostic in all this but I do think Apple prefers to build their own AI and worry about anti-trust later.
- talldayo 2y ago
  How can you "worry about anti-trust later" when you are under active anticompetitive inquiry from three of your largest markets?
  - sib 2y ago
    Because they want to build a better product for users rather than one that's been gimped by regulators?
  - skhunted 2y ago
    In the same way a person or entity does anything. Just do it.
kaba0 2y ago
Can you replace the camera firmware in any of your devices? That’s the same category, I don’t think laws tell you anything about that.
seec 2y ago
The funniest thing about current Apple is that they don't just upsell you on more hardware (that would be relatively fine) but they also hardcore upsell you on their "services" that are too often lackluster and fucked up in some bizarre way. To the point where they make using their devices without this service upsell and much less desirable experience. It makes the whole point of paying more for better hardware completely moot, because if you going to need to rely on cloud "service" stuff, you might as well get cheaper hardware from the other companies who do that much better than Apple ever did. I like their stuff (well the hardware at least) but I also don't want to buy more stuff from them, it's just not sustainable and they already make too much money anyway.