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Wish I could use Safari with uBO, so that I could use Safari. Tired of feature fragmentation in 3rd party software, but equally tired of ostensible limitations

Wish I could use Safari with uBO, so that I could use Safari. Tired of feature fragmentation in 3rd party software, but equally tired of ostensible limitations in 1st party software that try to control and prevent every single edge case use in the name of "uSeR ExPeRiEnCe". EDIT: I'd like to add the following, in case any Safari team members come across this in the wake of today's keynote. I remain utterly disgusted by things like: - hiding the full url by default - force hiding the full url on certain ($) search engine sites - force injecting 'client=safari' into my urls for ($) - {google, yahoo, bing, duckduckgo, ecosia} - inability to specify custom search engines and their urls - removal of RSS reader (still salty)

runjake 2y ago
If anyone is wondering why uBlock Origin is no longer available for Safari, since version 13, see: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#issuecomment-926733561 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#is... And for watching Safari status ongoing: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52
- nofunsir 2y ago
  Yes. But, "... if ever there is a port to Safari, that will be MV3 uBO Lite, not uBO, which requires MV2." --gorhill
- nottorp 2y ago
  It's not available because Apple don't want to allow it. Hence I use Firefox.
carlosjobim 2y ago
NextDNS solves ads. Anything super special you can use the Stopthemadness plugin.
- strunz 2y ago
  I don't believe either of those block YouTube ads on Safari
  - ngai_aku 2y ago
    StopTheMadness can automatically fast-forward YouTube ads which produces effectively the same result https://underpassapp.com/news/2023-10-19.html https://underpassapp.com/news/2023-10-19.html
- nofunsir 2y ago
  uBO isn't just about ads, and the mechanisms Stopthemadness uses should be readily available to me without having to install an app-store blessed plugin, for monies.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      Individual people are allowed to opine about how the world should work.
      - carlosjobim 2y ago
        Hackers are really something else... Would it sound normal to you if somebody started demanding things that "should be readily available to me" as a response to advice on how to solve a problem. Nobody here owes you anything, so try acting polite if you actually want something that you don't have. Unless you are actually the chairman of the central committee, in which case I apologize for the transgression, comrade.
        yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        Are you the chairman of the committee on who is allowed to make demands? Because it sounds like you're trying to demand that other people stop doing so.
rzzzt 2y ago
Orion uses WebKit and also lets you access extensions like uBO.
- nofunsir 2y ago
  I don't really care what engine is used. Bad javascript between sites raises the noise floor above browser/engine speed differences, and ads and trackers do the same wrt site functionality. I want Safari for the OS integrations and cleanliness. I need Firefox for manifest v2 and UI customization.
  - Terretta 2y ago
    Orion gives you both, mostly.
skydhash 2y ago
The only thing I would add is enabling javascript per tab. And remote fonts. This is my most used feature on UBO. The web is finally snappy again.
InfiniteVortex 2y ago
I was one of the main people that tried to port uBO Lite to Safari. uBO isn't possible to port because Safari doesn't support the relevant APIs. uBO Lite is also not possible, despite supporting _most_ of the APIs (IIRC), the ones that are essential for a MVP aren't available on Safari. With that said though, it's possible to use Apple's Safari-specific API to build an ad blocker for Safari that might actually be better than uBO Lite.
OldGuyInTheClub 2y ago
Kagi's Orion browser is based on Safari but allows FF and Chrome extensions. uBO works although the Youtube ad blocking is not quite as good as FF.
chatmasta 2y ago
> - {google, yahoo, bing, duckduckgo, ecosia} Even as an Apple fanboy, this is my least favorite part of the ecosystem. It’s so blatantly anticompetitive and obvious that this is a list of search engines that pay Apple money. (Actually, it’s just Google + 4 re-skinned Bing engines). This needs to be customizable to include any website with a ?q= parameter, like Firefox does with custom search engines. It should honestly be an anti-trust issue that this is not possible now.
- nofunsir 2y ago
  100% Agree.
doublepg23 2y ago
I quite like the Wipr “Content Blocker”. It’s paid, but at least that’s incentive to continue working on something a dreadful as ad-block.
ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
Safari has issues with audio pitch correction on sped up videos.
- freediver 2y ago
  Rather WebKit used to have this, and it was fixed a year ago. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191053#c31 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191053#c31 https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/pull/9489#issuecomment-1519130952 https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/pull/9489#issuecomment-1519...

runjake 2y ago

If anyone is wondering why uBlock Origin is no longer available for Safari, since version 13, see: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#issuecomment-926733561 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/1123#is... And for watching Safari status ongoing: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/52

nofunsir 2y ago
Yes. But, "... if ever there is a port to Safari, that will be MV3 uBO Lite, not uBO, which requires MV2." --gorhill
nottorp 2y ago
It's not available because Apple don't want to allow it. Hence I use Firefox.

carlosjobim 2y ago

NextDNS solves ads. Anything super special you can use the Stopthemadness plugin.

strunz 2y ago
I don't believe either of those block YouTube ads on Safari
- ngai_aku 2y ago
  StopTheMadness can automatically fast-forward YouTube ads which produces effectively the same result https://underpassapp.com/news/2023-10-19.html https://underpassapp.com/news/2023-10-19.html
nofunsir 2y ago
uBO isn't just about ads, and the mechanisms Stopthemadness uses should be readily available to me without having to install an app-store blessed plugin, for monies.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    Individual people are allowed to opine about how the world should work.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      Hackers are really something else... Would it sound normal to you if somebody started demanding things that "should be readily available to me" as a response to advice on how to solve a problem. Nobody here owes you anything, so try acting polite if you actually want something that you don't have. Unless you are actually the chairman of the central committee, in which case I apologize for the transgression, comrade.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        Are you the chairman of the committee on who is allowed to make demands? Because it sounds like you're trying to demand that other people stop doing so.

rzzzt 2y ago

Orion uses WebKit and also lets you access extensions like uBO.

nofunsir 2y ago
I don't really care what engine is used. Bad javascript between sites raises the noise floor above browser/engine speed differences, and ads and trackers do the same wrt site functionality. I want Safari for the OS integrations and cleanliness. I need Firefox for manifest v2 and UI customization.
- Terretta 2y ago
  Orion gives you both, mostly.

skydhash 2y ago

The only thing I would add is enabling javascript per tab. And remote fonts. This is my most used feature on UBO. The web is finally snappy again.

InfiniteVortex 2y ago

I was one of the main people that tried to port uBO Lite to Safari. uBO isn't possible to port because Safari doesn't support the relevant APIs. uBO Lite is also not possible, despite supporting _most_ of the APIs (IIRC), the ones that are essential for a MVP aren't available on Safari. With that said though, it's possible to use Apple's Safari-specific API to build an ad blocker for Safari that might actually be better than uBO Lite.

OldGuyInTheClub 2y ago

Kagi's Orion browser is based on Safari but allows FF and Chrome extensions. uBO works although the Youtube ad blocking is not quite as good as FF.

chatmasta 2y ago

> - {google, yahoo, bing, duckduckgo, ecosia} Even as an Apple fanboy, this is my least favorite part of the ecosystem. It’s so blatantly anticompetitive and obvious that this is a list of search engines that pay Apple money. (Actually, it’s just Google + 4 re-skinned Bing engines). This needs to be customizable to include any website with a ?q= parameter, like Firefox does with custom search engines. It should honestly be an anti-trust issue that this is not possible now.

nofunsir 2y ago
100% Agree.

doublepg23 2y ago

I quite like the Wipr “Content Blocker”. It’s paid, but at least that’s incentive to continue working on something a dreadful as ad-block.

ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago

Safari has issues with audio pitch correction on sped up videos.

freediver 2y ago
Rather WebKit used to have this, and it was fixed a year ago. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191053#c31 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191053#c31 https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/pull/9489#issuecomment-1519130952 https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/pull/9489#issuecomment-1519...