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> When decluttering means you end up having to search the internet for a recipe as to what place to click to find which flydropping menu, was it worth it? Stro

by MR4D 2y ago

> When decluttering means you end up having to search the internet for a recipe as to what place to click to find which flydropping menu, was it worth it? Strong disagree here - let me use a real world example. On older Lexus models, the car stereo screen had play and pause buttons. It always bugged me. Why have BOTH a play button and a pause button? The play button doesn’t do anything if you click on it when a song is playing, and the pause button doesn’t do anything if the song is already paused. What Lexus should have done instead was have one button that changes state depending if something is playing or paused. It would take up less screen space and less cognitive load trying to move the cursor while I’m driving 75mph. And on a personal note, Teams is a horrid interface. But I’m not here to argue that today.

staplung 2y ago
I'm not sure you disagree as strongly as you think. I don't feel like the OP was suggesting that all decluttering is intrinsically bad. In the case that you describe it's pretty easy to argue that it's good because it made things easier to use (or at least harder to fuck up because you don't have to figure out which button is useless). Imagine instead that Lexus decided to get rid of both buttons and place them under a hamburger menu.
- MR4D 2y ago
  > Imagine instead … Aghhhhh!!! Now you are trying to give me nightmares!!! :)
lmm 2y ago
> Why have BOTH a play button and a pause button? The play button doesn’t do anything if you click on it when a song is playing, and the pause button doesn’t do anything if the song is already paused. Because it's hard to hit a touchscreen button precisely once, especially when you're driving. And if a song is quiet you may not be able to tell whether it's playing or paused right now. Having a button that will always make it playing and a button that will always make it paused is good design.
- MR4D 2y ago
  There is no feedback from the buttons at all. If I ignore the rest of the screen, I can’t tell if anything is playing or paused. The buttons do not change appearance in any way. That makes it even worse as now I have to look at multiple places on the screen when I’m driving. That the buttons are small makes it more annoying. A single, larger button the changed would be much, much better. Side note - it’s not a touch screen. It has a joystick controlled pointer.
  - lmm 2y ago
    > There is no feedback from the buttons at all. If I ignore the rest of the screen, I can’t tell if anything is playing or paused. The buttons do not change appearance in any way. All the more reason to have two buttons. If you want it to be playing, you hit play, if you want it to be paused, you hit pause. Again that sounds like good design - really anything that's meant to be operated while driving ought to be usable without having to look at it. > it’s not a touch screen. It has a joystick controlled pointer Ok that sounds like the problem, not the buttons
    - MR4D 2y ago
      So, you're saying that tech that didn't exist was the problem, not the design for the tech that did exist??? That makes no sense.

by MR4D 2y ago

staplung 2y ago

I'm not sure you disagree as strongly as you think. I don't feel like the OP was suggesting that all decluttering is intrinsically bad. In the case that you describe it's pretty easy to argue that it's good because it made things easier to use (or at least harder to fuck up because you don't have to figure out which button is useless). Imagine instead that Lexus decided to get rid of both buttons and place them under a hamburger menu.

MR4D 2y ago
> Imagine instead … Aghhhhh!!! Now you are trying to give me nightmares!!! :)

lmm 2y ago

> Why have BOTH a play button and a pause button? The play button doesn’t do anything if you click on it when a song is playing, and the pause button doesn’t do anything if the song is already paused. Because it's hard to hit a touchscreen button precisely once, especially when you're driving. And if a song is quiet you may not be able to tell whether it's playing or paused right now. Having a button that will always make it playing and a button that will always make it paused is good design.

MR4D 2y ago
There is no feedback from the buttons at all. If I ignore the rest of the screen, I can’t tell if anything is playing or paused. The buttons do not change appearance in any way. That makes it even worse as now I have to look at multiple places on the screen when I’m driving. That the buttons are small makes it more annoying. A single, larger button the changed would be much, much better. Side note - it’s not a touch screen. It has a joystick controlled pointer.
- lmm 2y ago
  > There is no feedback from the buttons at all. If I ignore the rest of the screen, I can’t tell if anything is playing or paused. The buttons do not change appearance in any way. All the more reason to have two buttons. If you want it to be playing, you hit play, if you want it to be paused, you hit pause. Again that sounds like good design - really anything that's meant to be operated while driving ought to be usable without having to look at it. > it’s not a touch screen. It has a joystick controlled pointer Ok that sounds like the problem, not the buttons
  - MR4D 2y ago
    So, you're saying that tech that didn't exist was the problem, not the design for the tech that did exist??? That makes no sense.