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Why wouldn't Microsoft be able to? Microsoft seems to have lost all internal cohesion and the ability to focus the entire company in one direction. It's just a

by dagw 2y ago

Why wouldn't Microsoft be able to? Microsoft seems to have lost all internal cohesion and the ability to focus the entire company in one direction. It's just a collection of dozens of small fiefdoms only caring about hitting their own narrow KPIs with no overall strategic vision. Just look at the mess of competing interest that Windows 11 and Edge have turned into.

mlinsey 2y ago
The flip side, is that they would not have been able to execute so well with Azure etc if the Windows org had too much of a say about pushing Windows as the OS of choice everywhere. Winning in a brand new space, especially one that might be disruptive to other business units, sometimes necessitates letting the new org do its own thing.
- ArchOversight 2y ago
  "execute" and "well" in the same sentence when referring to Azure is a bit weird to see.
  - tstrimple 2y ago
    Only to the ignorant. Tens of billions of dollars a year are spent on the platform. Either all of those customers are misinformed about the capabilities of Azure or you are. I’m going to rely Occam’s Razor here.
__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
Yeah, it's hard to believe that VSCode and Windows are products from the same company. Very different vibes.
- araes 2y ago
  Is VS Code the same as Visual Studio? Super confused. Visual Studio Code, appears to be a code editor with support for C, C#, C++, Fortran, Go, Java, JavaScript, Node.js, Python, Rust, and Julia Visual Studio, appears to be a code editor with support for 36 languages including C, C++, C++/CLI, Visual Basic .NET, C#, F#, JavaScript, TypeScript, XML, XSLT, HTML, and CSS. Visual Studio Code, appears to be liked by almost every user and the favorite in a bunch of online polls. Visual Studio, appears to be unusable junk, widely hated in almost every survey, and unable to even display its own error messages correctly in 2022. Visual Studio Code is supposedly a "related product" according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio#Related_products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio#Related_products How are these related? They seem like Microsoft's internal fiefdoms again.
  - __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
    Definitely different things, I've used them both. Visual Studio is from before they went on their Microsoft <3 Open Source campaign. It has pricey licenses and is pretty much an ad for .net It's a traditional windows application. .net/WPF I think. Configured via XML VSCode is free, an electron app, has a plugin store with lots of niche language plugins. Configured via json. Surely they're using VSCode to exert influence in their Microsofty way, but it feels much less like a prison. VSCode still feels like a bit much to me (though of a monster than Visual Studio). I'm pretty happy with helix.
    - araes 2y ago
      Cool. Thanks. Started in with the newest version of VS 2022 recently for C++, and then find out there's apparently something better in a different internal fiefdom that people actually like.
vundercind 2y ago
They can’t even get marketing on the same page, such that they counter-productively confuse the hell out of their customers who might be considering giving them more money. Quick, what’s “copilot”?
- prewett 2y ago
  Automates the tedious/boring parts of flying between regions in Microsoft Flight Simulator. On higher difficulty levels, can use voice recognition to accept tasks ("Copilot, we are losing fuel, find the nearest airport we can land at", "Copilot, what is the VFR frequency for the airport?", etc.) Sometimes misunderstands tasks and/or will give erroneous information, to increase fidelity to real-world situations.
ethbr1 2y ago
+ Teams, which includes a feature to build entire apps... inside Teams.
- Onawa 2y ago
  Oh God, when my partner started exploring using Power Apps for Teams to build a platform for running a clinical study, I was intrigued... Then horrified as I tried to help her get it setup. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/teams/create-first-app https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/teams/create-fi...
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    Maybe it's just my overly-cynical ass but when the parent comment said Teams+ lets you build apps inside Teams, I physically shuddered.
    - ethbr1 2y ago
      'We call it Apps for Teams Live 365+!'

by dagw 2y ago

mlinsey 2y ago

The flip side, is that they would not have been able to execute so well with Azure etc if the Windows org had too much of a say about pushing Windows as the OS of choice everywhere. Winning in a brand new space, especially one that might be disruptive to other business units, sometimes necessitates letting the new org do its own thing.

ArchOversight 2y ago
"execute" and "well" in the same sentence when referring to Azure is a bit weird to see.
- tstrimple 2y ago
  Only to the ignorant. Tens of billions of dollars a year are spent on the platform. Either all of those customers are misinformed about the capabilities of Azure or you are. I’m going to rely Occam’s Razor here.

__MatrixMan__ 2y ago

Yeah, it's hard to believe that VSCode and Windows are products from the same company. Very different vibes.

araes 2y ago
Is VS Code the same as Visual Studio? Super confused. Visual Studio Code, appears to be a code editor with support for C, C#, C++, Fortran, Go, Java, JavaScript, Node.js, Python, Rust, and Julia Visual Studio, appears to be a code editor with support for 36 languages including C, C++, C++/CLI, Visual Basic .NET, C#, F#, JavaScript, TypeScript, XML, XSLT, HTML, and CSS. Visual Studio Code, appears to be liked by almost every user and the favorite in a bunch of online polls. Visual Studio, appears to be unusable junk, widely hated in almost every survey, and unable to even display its own error messages correctly in 2022. Visual Studio Code is supposedly a "related product" according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio#Related_products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Studio#Related_products How are these related? They seem like Microsoft's internal fiefdoms again.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
  Definitely different things, I've used them both. Visual Studio is from before they went on their Microsoft <3 Open Source campaign. It has pricey licenses and is pretty much an ad for .net It's a traditional windows application. .net/WPF I think. Configured via XML VSCode is free, an electron app, has a plugin store with lots of niche language plugins. Configured via json. Surely they're using VSCode to exert influence in their Microsofty way, but it feels much less like a prison. VSCode still feels like a bit much to me (though of a monster than Visual Studio). I'm pretty happy with helix.
  - araes 2y ago
    Cool. Thanks. Started in with the newest version of VS 2022 recently for C++, and then find out there's apparently something better in a different internal fiefdom that people actually like.

vundercind 2y ago

They can’t even get marketing on the same page, such that they counter-productively confuse the hell out of their customers who might be considering giving them more money. Quick, what’s “copilot”?

prewett 2y ago
Automates the tedious/boring parts of flying between regions in Microsoft Flight Simulator. On higher difficulty levels, can use voice recognition to accept tasks ("Copilot, we are losing fuel, find the nearest airport we can land at", "Copilot, what is the VFR frequency for the airport?", etc.) Sometimes misunderstands tasks and/or will give erroneous information, to increase fidelity to real-world situations.

ethbr1 2y ago

+ Teams, which includes a feature to build entire apps... inside Teams.

Onawa 2y ago
Oh God, when my partner started exploring using Power Apps for Teams to build a platform for running a clinical study, I was intrigued... Then horrified as I tried to help her get it setup. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/teams/create-first-app https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/teams/create-fi...
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  Maybe it's just my overly-cynical ass but when the parent comment said Teams+ lets you build apps inside Teams, I physically shuddered.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    'We call it Apps for Teams Live 365+!'