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Do these people actually even believe in AI? If not, they're there solely for the financialization and value-extraction, which means it goes downhill from here.

zer00eyz 2y ago
> Do these people actually even believe in AI? The moment that every one who gave a shit about safety quit OpenAI you should have understood that there was no AI coming. This has always been, and will always be about the money.
- RhodesianHunter 2y ago
  Implying that these people quite because they realized they weren't needed (no need for safety if AI isn't coming) rather than what seems like the common perspective being that safety initiatives always lost out over money making opportunities?
  - zer00eyz 2y ago
    Rewind the clock a few years. The google engineer who was saying google had AGI. The MS paper saying GPT had hints of AGI. The MS deal "you can have everything up to AGI". The approach was one where a big enough model could be made to feed back in on it self (Q*). If we feed enough data into a big enough model then it will "tip over" and turn into AGI, or sentient or sapient... The problem is that this doesn't work, it never would have worked, the math does not support it. Pointing it back at it self doesn't get you more it gets you an ouroboros. Why do you sign a deal "up to AGI" if you dont think you're close to AGI? They did, they were high on their own supply, reality set in, people look foolish, and they moved on.
    - voiceblue 2y ago
      Seems to me like you’d be more likely to sign a deal “up to AGI” if you knew that was a pipe dream that would never happen. It’s easy to sign away your firstborn child if you’ll never have any children to begin with. Edit: Nevermind, looks like it's just a way to hype then!
      - zer00eyz 2y ago
        You got this backwards. M$ gets everything OpenAi does till they reach AGI. The deal is "give me everything till you have that baby"
      - kaast202 2y ago
        that does not make sense,the deal is msft gets everything except AGI. They do believe they ll reach AGI whether thats pipe dream or not is a different story because they believe in agi they are fine with giving up everything upto that point
RhodesianHunter 2y ago
Kinda weird to expect a for-profit company to "care" about a technology outside of it making them more money TBH.
- asadotzler 2y ago
  Well, when they're owned by a non-profit, it's not at all weird to expect that.
  - ag_guy 2y ago
    OpenAi is "for profit" organization.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  Wasn't their goal to make AGI (and to make it available)? It's why I said what I did. Financialization runs in opposition to such altruistic goals. Someone has to now pay their hundred million dollar pay packages, and that someone is the customer.

zer00eyz 2y ago

> Do these people actually even believe in AI? The moment that every one who gave a shit about safety quit OpenAI you should have understood that there was no AI coming. This has always been, and will always be about the money.

RhodesianHunter 2y ago
Implying that these people quite because they realized they weren't needed (no need for safety if AI isn't coming) rather than what seems like the common perspective being that safety initiatives always lost out over money making opportunities?
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  Rewind the clock a few years. The google engineer who was saying google had AGI. The MS paper saying GPT had hints of AGI. The MS deal "you can have everything up to AGI". The approach was one where a big enough model could be made to feed back in on it self (Q*). If we feed enough data into a big enough model then it will "tip over" and turn into AGI, or sentient or sapient... The problem is that this doesn't work, it never would have worked, the math does not support it. Pointing it back at it self doesn't get you more it gets you an ouroboros. Why do you sign a deal "up to AGI" if you dont think you're close to AGI? They did, they were high on their own supply, reality set in, people look foolish, and they moved on.
  - voiceblue 2y ago
    Seems to me like you’d be more likely to sign a deal “up to AGI” if you knew that was a pipe dream that would never happen. It’s easy to sign away your firstborn child if you’ll never have any children to begin with. Edit: Nevermind, looks like it's just a way to hype then!
    - zer00eyz 2y ago
      You got this backwards. M$ gets everything OpenAi does till they reach AGI. The deal is "give me everything till you have that baby"
    - kaast202 2y ago
      that does not make sense,the deal is msft gets everything except AGI. They do believe they ll reach AGI whether thats pipe dream or not is a different story because they believe in agi they are fine with giving up everything upto that point

RhodesianHunter 2y ago

Kinda weird to expect a for-profit company to "care" about a technology outside of it making them more money TBH.

asadotzler 2y ago
Well, when they're owned by a non-profit, it's not at all weird to expect that.
- ag_guy 2y ago
  OpenAi is "for profit" organization.
OutOfHere 2y ago
Wasn't their goal to make AGI (and to make it available)? It's why I said what I did. Financialization runs in opposition to such altruistic goals. Someone has to now pay their hundred million dollar pay packages, and that someone is the customer.