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> BigTech results in unethical stuff Nope. This is a pretty big claim to be taken without a good proof. Why do you think so? Because of _some_ bad actors tod

> BigTech results in unethical stuff Nope. This is a pretty big claim to be taken without a good proof. Why do you think so? Because of _some_ bad actors today (out of many)? Because of _some_ bad practices in the past (already covered by new regulations in place)?

palata 2y ago
> Why do you think so? As mentioned in the next words of my quote (which you apparently ignored): because BigTech brought us surveillance capitalism, and surveillance capitalism is unethical. The evolution of surveillance capitalism being mass spying (with AI accessing all that data), which is unethical. And because of tons of documented "bad practices" over the years. New regulations will just bring new unethical practices if that goes with profit maximization.
- aristofun 2y ago
  Define “surveillance capitalism”, prove that it is what big companies purposfuly do, show how it is doing more harm than good to society and only after that your words can take part in meaningful discussion. Until then all you say is just opinionated generalizations and dropping cool looking but meaningless words.
  - palata 2y ago
    It genuinely feels like you are in bad faith here, ignoring the parts of my comments you don't like. Surveillance capitalism [1] is a pretty well-defined concept. If you don't know it, maybe you should refrain from talking about ethics in the context of BigTech. > prove that it is what big companies purposfuly do Why should it be purposeful? That's just your addition to support your point of view. I clearly said above that the purpose of companies is to maximize profit. All the rest kind of comes from there. A company is not unethical because it is "evil". It is unethical because that's the rational way to maximize profit. > Until then all you say is just opinionated generalizations and dropping cool looking but meaningless words. Sure. And yours are not. Let's stop it here. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism
    - aristofun 2y ago
      I see your comments I just think it’s a bullshit (like half of wiki articles around political and ideological topics today). I base it on some facts I know about big companies from inside - while some of them sometimes had bad intentions and do bad unethical things, vast majority is just genuinely trying to do business and bring value to customers or consumers. While wasting ton of money and people-hours to meaningless work around another dumb regulation promoted by dumb bureaucrats. And btw, define “ethical” before you ignorantly label the whole industry sector as unethical. Can you?
      - palata 2y ago
        > vast majority is just genuinely trying to do business and bring value to customers or consumers Can you tell me where I said the opposite? It feels like either you don't read what I write, or you don't understand. That would explain why you ask me to define every second word. > While wasting ton of money and people-hours to meaningless work around another dumb regulation promoted by dumb bureaucrats. Define "wasting" and "dumb" before you ignorantly label a whole industry sector. Can you?

palata 2y ago

> Why do you think so? As mentioned in the next words of my quote (which you apparently ignored): because BigTech brought us surveillance capitalism, and surveillance capitalism is unethical. The evolution of surveillance capitalism being mass spying (with AI accessing all that data), which is unethical. And because of tons of documented "bad practices" over the years. New regulations will just bring new unethical practices if that goes with profit maximization.

aristofun 2y ago
Define “surveillance capitalism”, prove that it is what big companies purposfuly do, show how it is doing more harm than good to society and only after that your words can take part in meaningful discussion. Until then all you say is just opinionated generalizations and dropping cool looking but meaningless words.
- palata 2y ago
  It genuinely feels like you are in bad faith here, ignoring the parts of my comments you don't like. Surveillance capitalism [1] is a pretty well-defined concept. If you don't know it, maybe you should refrain from talking about ethics in the context of BigTech. > prove that it is what big companies purposfuly do Why should it be purposeful? That's just your addition to support your point of view. I clearly said above that the purpose of companies is to maximize profit. All the rest kind of comes from there. A company is not unethical because it is "evil". It is unethical because that's the rational way to maximize profit. > Until then all you say is just opinionated generalizations and dropping cool looking but meaningless words. Sure. And yours are not. Let's stop it here. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism
  - aristofun 2y ago
    I see your comments I just think it’s a bullshit (like half of wiki articles around political and ideological topics today). I base it on some facts I know about big companies from inside - while some of them sometimes had bad intentions and do bad unethical things, vast majority is just genuinely trying to do business and bring value to customers or consumers. While wasting ton of money and people-hours to meaningless work around another dumb regulation promoted by dumb bureaucrats. And btw, define “ethical” before you ignorantly label the whole industry sector as unethical. Can you?
    - palata 2y ago
      > vast majority is just genuinely trying to do business and bring value to customers or consumers Can you tell me where I said the opposite? It feels like either you don't read what I write, or you don't understand. That would explain why you ask me to define every second word. > While wasting ton of money and people-hours to meaningless work around another dumb regulation promoted by dumb bureaucrats. Define "wasting" and "dumb" before you ignorantly label a whole industry sector. Can you?