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> Privacy protections are built in for users who access ChatGPT — their IP addresses are obscured, and OpenAI won’t store requests. ChatGPT’s data-use policies

> Privacy protections are built in for users who access ChatGPT — their IP addresses are obscured, and OpenAI won’t store requests. ChatGPT’s data-use policies apply for users who choose to connect their account. > ChatGPT will come to iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia later this year, powered by GPT-4o.

talldayo 2y ago
> and OpenAI won’t store requests. What's a promise from Sam Altman worth, again?
- spacebanana7 2y ago
  Even if the promise were made in good faith, I fear it may be hard to resist pressure from law enforcement etc.
  - Turing_Machine 2y ago
    If Apple is sitting in the middle proxying the IP addresses, and not keeping any logs for longer than they absolutely need to, law enforcement could go pee up a rope, right?
    - talldayo 2y ago
      You'd hope so, but corporate resistance against domestic intelligence has a bumpy track record: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...
- educasean 2y ago
  Tim Cook doesn't seem to mind hanging his reputation on sama's promise, so at least that's something
- minimaxir 2y ago
  The promise is from Apple, not OpenAI, and likely contractual. If OpenAI actually went against that, Apple would unleash the mother of all lawsuits.
- wilg 2y ago
  What broken Sam Altman promises are you referring to?
  - avtar 2y ago
    Personally I would say the disparity between what was in their founding agreement "be open-source—freely and publicly available for anyone to use, modify and distribute" https://archive.ph/R0LBL https://archive.ph/R0LBL to the current state of affairs. But I guess the list of grievances could be longer: https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/what-should-we-learn-from-openais https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/what-should-we-learn-from-...
  - zoky 2y ago
    Leaving OpenAI, for one.
- aaronharnly 2y ago
  That's not a "promise from Sam Altman", that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC. So I think it's worth as much as Apple is willing to spend enforcing it, which I imagine would be quite a bit.
  - hot_gril 2y ago
    Idk about Sam Altman in particular, but OpenAI pulled the bait-and-switch you can still see in its name. We don't know what the contract says exactly, but there are always loopholes, and I would not assume anything OpenAI says to be in good faith. I also don't really care, but it's understandable why some people do.
  - shbooms 2y ago
    > that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC. do you have a source on this or are you just assuming?
    - buildbot 2y ago
      Do you think this is all running off the standard openai API and they picked a dev at random in Apple to use their accounts API keys? Of course there is some agreement…
    - Tagbert 2y ago
      It would be a very surprising business arrangement if that was not explicitly called out. Apple is not going to leave this to chance.
      - talldayo 2y ago
        > Apple is not going to leave this to chance. How much would you be willing to bet, on a statement like this? I love a sporting chance.
        theshrike79 2y ago
        If we find out in the next 12 months that OpenAI has been storing requests from Apple/Siri AND Apple doesn't come down on them with a 10 ton lawyer hammer, I'll pay you $500. Can you match it the other way around? :)
- Handy-Man 2y ago
  That's just the enterprise guarantee. The same applies to Azure OpenAI services and the API services provided by OpenAI directly.
shironononon 2y ago
"let's store responses and a hash of the request intent in a kvp then"
- ukuina 2y ago
  Storing the response and *a GPT-summarized request* would not violate the spirit or letter of the statement here, either.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Please, an encrypted key-value store. The private key is only shared between you, Apple, and relevant law-enforcement agencies. It's as private as you can ask for, these days!
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talldayo 2y ago

> and OpenAI won’t store requests. What's a promise from Sam Altman worth, again?

spacebanana7 2y ago
Even if the promise were made in good faith, I fear it may be hard to resist pressure from law enforcement etc.
- Turing_Machine 2y ago
  If Apple is sitting in the middle proxying the IP addresses, and not keeping any logs for longer than they absolutely need to, law enforcement could go pee up a rope, right?
  - talldayo 2y ago
    You'd hope so, but corporate resistance against domestic intelligence has a bumpy track record: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...
educasean 2y ago
Tim Cook doesn't seem to mind hanging his reputation on sama's promise, so at least that's something
minimaxir 2y ago
The promise is from Apple, not OpenAI, and likely contractual. If OpenAI actually went against that, Apple would unleash the mother of all lawsuits.
wilg 2y ago
What broken Sam Altman promises are you referring to?
- avtar 2y ago
  Personally I would say the disparity between what was in their founding agreement "be open-source—freely and publicly available for anyone to use, modify and distribute" https://archive.ph/R0LBL https://archive.ph/R0LBL to the current state of affairs. But I guess the list of grievances could be longer: https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/what-should-we-learn-from-openais https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/what-should-we-learn-from-...
- zoky 2y ago
  Leaving OpenAI, for one.
aaronharnly 2y ago
That's not a "promise from Sam Altman", that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC. So I think it's worth as much as Apple is willing to spend enforcing it, which I imagine would be quite a bit.
- hot_gril 2y ago
  Idk about Sam Altman in particular, but OpenAI pulled the bait-and-switch you can still see in its name. We don't know what the contract says exactly, but there are always loopholes, and I would not assume anything OpenAI says to be in good faith. I also don't really care, but it's understandable why some people do.
- shbooms 2y ago
  > that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC. do you have a source on this or are you just assuming?
  - buildbot 2y ago
    Do you think this is all running off the standard openai API and they picked a dev at random in Apple to use their accounts API keys? Of course there is some agreement…
  - Tagbert 2y ago
    It would be a very surprising business arrangement if that was not explicitly called out. Apple is not going to leave this to chance.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      > Apple is not going to leave this to chance. How much would you be willing to bet, on a statement like this? I love a sporting chance.
      - theshrike79 2y ago
        If we find out in the next 12 months that OpenAI has been storing requests from Apple/Siri AND Apple doesn't come down on them with a 10 ton lawyer hammer, I'll pay you $500. Can you match it the other way around? :)
Handy-Man 2y ago
That's just the enterprise guarantee. The same applies to Azure OpenAI services and the API services provided by OpenAI directly.

shironononon 2y ago

"let's store responses and a hash of the request intent in a kvp then"

ukuina 2y ago
Storing the response and *a GPT-summarized request* would not violate the spirit or letter of the statement here, either.
talldayo 2y ago
Please, an encrypted key-value store. The private key is only shared between you, Apple, and relevant law-enforcement agencies. It's as private as you can ask for, these days!

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