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No Linux or Android, which makes it useless for anybody having any devices running those. And since nobody wants to use two password managers, it remains a bett

by smsm42 2y ago

No Linux or Android, which makes it useless for anybody having any devices running those. And since nobody wants to use two password managers, it remains a better solution to use a truly multi-platform one.

sircastor 2y ago
The Android one puzzles me a bit. We were Android + Mac for a very long time, more than a decade. I've switched to iOS over the last few years, but my wife remains a dedicated Android user. I don't really want to switch from BitWarden, but if I did Passwords would be a non-starter for us because of this. I suppose that Apple really considers the iPhone to be the center of its customer's lives, with a Mac or Windows computer... rather than my view, of my computer being the center and my phone tertiary.
- swores 2y ago
  I think you might have it the wrong way round, and that you're a good example of why they do it. You actually care about your computer, and if software isn't available for your OS then you're unlikely to ever switch OS to use it. But you could be persuaded to move to iPhone, and maybe if enough new Apple services (which aren't available on Android) tempt your wife then she might make her next phone an iPhone, too? Apple cares more about persuading people to switch from Android to iPhone than about Windows to Mac. But I also suspect there are many more Windows+iPhone people than Mac+Android.
nullindividual 2y ago
Linux isn't even relevant in this context with it's <1% DWM install base. Android, yes you have a point, though a Mac and Android is a strange combination.
- smsm42 2y ago
  What's strange in it? I've been using macs and android phones for over a decade. And a lot of tech savvy people do the same. Macbooks have been a solid dev platform for a while, and do not really require any mobile platform preference.
  - nsbk 2y ago
    Most of my dev team are Mac + Android users. The same is not true for data or product folks, who are mostly Mac + iPhone users.
- freedomben 2y ago
  > though a Mac and Android is a strange combination. Probably so, but there is one demographic well represented here that does this routinely: Developers. Macs are the default and often mandatory computers issued to developers at tech companies (I strongly disagree with this approach and think employees should get the platform they are most comfortable on, but Macs only is the current state of things in most places). So many use Macs because of work, but have Android phones due to reasons I won't articulate here, mostly due to time but also with the audience on this article I expect it would melt down into an argument about which flavor of ice cream is better (metaphorically, not literally). Suffice it to say, Android users would agree with the reasons, Apple users will say you shouldn't be doing those things anyway, and we'll have to agree to disagree.
  - brailsafe 2y ago
    For me it's pragmatic; MacBooks are or have been the best laptops, and Android phones have been the best value for money while also being less locked down. IPhones are just really expensive luxury devices imo. My phone will probably break for some reason out of my control within a few years of getting it, or it'll become outdated, so I want to get the best hardware + software combination I can for around ~$400USD
    - hot_gril 2y ago
      One point of an iPhone is that it lasts longer, but if you really want new hardware all the time, Android is a cheaper option.
      - brailsafe 2y ago
        I don't see how that could possibly be true objectively, it's my impression that neither platform has any intrinsic hardware qualities that allow it to last longer, but with a Pixel I do have more control over how long I can keep it running if it doesn't succumb to irreparable physical damage. Anecdotally, it's also my subtle impression that iPhone users are more inclined to update frequently regardless of how much longevity they could get out of it. I just buy my phone and keep it operational for as long as possible, only buying another if my current one is physically inoperable, and I feel like I'd get to that point more quickly with an iPhone, since parts are more expensive and not as readily available.
- neocritter 2y ago
  What's the % look like for people who use password managers? There's probably a reason they all support Linux.

by smsm42 2y ago

sircastor 2y ago

The Android one puzzles me a bit. We were Android + Mac for a very long time, more than a decade. I've switched to iOS over the last few years, but my wife remains a dedicated Android user. I don't really want to switch from BitWarden, but if I did Passwords would be a non-starter for us because of this. I suppose that Apple really considers the iPhone to be the center of its customer's lives, with a Mac or Windows computer... rather than my view, of my computer being the center and my phone tertiary.

swores 2y ago
I think you might have it the wrong way round, and that you're a good example of why they do it. You actually care about your computer, and if software isn't available for your OS then you're unlikely to ever switch OS to use it. But you could be persuaded to move to iPhone, and maybe if enough new Apple services (which aren't available on Android) tempt your wife then she might make her next phone an iPhone, too? Apple cares more about persuading people to switch from Android to iPhone than about Windows to Mac. But I also suspect there are many more Windows+iPhone people than Mac+Android.

nullindividual 2y ago

Linux isn't even relevant in this context with it's <1% DWM install base. Android, yes you have a point, though a Mac and Android is a strange combination.

smsm42 2y ago
What's strange in it? I've been using macs and android phones for over a decade. And a lot of tech savvy people do the same. Macbooks have been a solid dev platform for a while, and do not really require any mobile platform preference.
- nsbk 2y ago
  Most of my dev team are Mac + Android users. The same is not true for data or product folks, who are mostly Mac + iPhone users.
freedomben 2y ago
> though a Mac and Android is a strange combination. Probably so, but there is one demographic well represented here that does this routinely: Developers. Macs are the default and often mandatory computers issued to developers at tech companies (I strongly disagree with this approach and think employees should get the platform they are most comfortable on, but Macs only is the current state of things in most places). So many use Macs because of work, but have Android phones due to reasons I won't articulate here, mostly due to time but also with the audience on this article I expect it would melt down into an argument about which flavor of ice cream is better (metaphorically, not literally). Suffice it to say, Android users would agree with the reasons, Apple users will say you shouldn't be doing those things anyway, and we'll have to agree to disagree.
- brailsafe 2y ago
  For me it's pragmatic; MacBooks are or have been the best laptops, and Android phones have been the best value for money while also being less locked down. IPhones are just really expensive luxury devices imo. My phone will probably break for some reason out of my control within a few years of getting it, or it'll become outdated, so I want to get the best hardware + software combination I can for around ~$400USD
  - hot_gril 2y ago
    One point of an iPhone is that it lasts longer, but if you really want new hardware all the time, Android is a cheaper option.
    - brailsafe 2y ago
      I don't see how that could possibly be true objectively, it's my impression that neither platform has any intrinsic hardware qualities that allow it to last longer, but with a Pixel I do have more control over how long I can keep it running if it doesn't succumb to irreparable physical damage. Anecdotally, it's also my subtle impression that iPhone users are more inclined to update frequently regardless of how much longevity they could get out of it. I just buy my phone and keep it operational for as long as possible, only buying another if my current one is physically inoperable, and I feel like I'd get to that point more quickly with an iPhone, since parts are more expensive and not as readily available.
neocritter 2y ago
What's the % look like for people who use password managers? There's probably a reason they all support Linux.