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If Apple can block what's on "independent" third-party app stores, then the letter of the DMA may be violated or not, but its spirit is most certainly violated.
by kelthuzad 2y ago
If Apple can block what's on "independent" third-party app stores, then the letter of the DMA may be violated or not, but its spirit is most certainly violated. Hope the EU cracks down on such malicious compliance.
- iamkonstantin 2y agoApple's compliance with the DMA has been painful to begin with. Instead of embracing the intended spirit of the regulation, they opted to be as difficult and as toxic as possible. As a developer, I feel tired and exhausted from constantly having to battle with the platform giants just so that eventually we can find a way to co-exist on "their" platforms.
- outside2344 2y agoPretty clear anti-competitive activity
- malermeister 2y agoYeah there's no way this is gonna fly.
- speedylight 2y agoLawyers don’t care about the spirit of any law, it’s the language that matters!
- HaZeust 2y agoThat's right. There's something I always say: "Lawyers are only purposivists when it benefits them, and textualists at any other avenue."
- galangalalgol 2y agoDoesn't that depend on the venue? I thought I had read that some European member states had more subjective intent based enforcement?
- omnimus 2y agoYes US and European justice systems differ in this quite a bit.
- TillE 2y agoThe DMA repeatedly requires gatekeepers to act in a "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory" manner. The "spirit" is very much baked into the language.
- Dalewyn 2y agoObligatory IANAL and speaking mainly from an American understanding. "Fair", "reasonable", and "non-discriminatory" all have clearly defined legal definitions, which are not necessarily aligned with commonly understood or dictionary-defined definitions. The only thing that ultimately matters is the letter of the law. If the letter is contrary to the spirit, the law should be rewritten.
- withinboredom 2y agoNow you know why the USA* exists. Welcome to Europe, where you are both more free than the USA and less free at the same time. * I assume you mean the USA when you say America, as both the North American and South American continents have many countries.
- gpsx 2y agoWhat country do you say you are from, Kingdom of Normway? Federal Republic of Germany? Peoples Republic of China? Commonwealth of Australia?
- Dalewyn 2y agoI mean, yes? America exists because we couldn't stand Europe, and we've had to go back there at least several times to fix the mess y'all keep dispensing before we just said "Fuck it." after witnessing WW2 and made our presence permanent for the forseeable future. Now that I got the snark out of my system, I personally prefer a legal system everyone will agree on even if not everyone will like it.
- withinboredom 2y agoHeh, I’m from the US actually; moved to the Netherlands before shit got weird there. Every time I go back to visit friends and family, I get a reverse culture shock. The legal system here is mind-blowing compared to the US. My son got beat up by some thug-teenager for being from the US (the teen was Afghan, so makes sense why he would feel that way, but to take it out on a 6 year old is kinda fucked up). Anyway, watching that play out was very interesting. Even just dealing with employee background checks is interesting in that only certain crimes (relevant to the work you are asking them to do) show up. So if an embezzler wants to go into childcare, nothing would show up (probably, I haven’t actually done that, so I have no idea for this specific example, it’s just an example). It’s so fascinating… but if you are ever looking for a way out of the US: Dutch-American Friendship Treaty is a way.
- layer8 2y agoEuropean courts often do.
- whimsicalism 2y agoEU is much more about the spirit of the law than American law
- spiderfarmer 2y agoThis is such an obvious violation that I think Apple is testing it on purpose. They gain nothing by blocking this specific app. Maybe they just want to see what they can do.
- lxgr 2y agoBased on the horror stories I've heard about App Store reviews, this might literally just be a part of their review org that's not up to date on third-party EU app stores applying the wrong set of rules (or for that matter, any type of rules at all). Doesn't make it any better, of course.
- derefr 2y ago> They gain nothing by blocking this specific app. I dunno, I think there's an obvious thing Apple would be worried about by allowing PC emulators on iOS (iPadOS specifically): the only thing that stops an iPad Pro from being the only computer of, say, a software engineer these days, is that iPadOS doesn't function as an non-inter-app-sandboxed parallel-multitasking development platform in the way that a desktop OS does. But a (performant) PC emulator on iPadOS would fix that. You could buy an iPad Pro with a keyboard case, boot up a Windows or Linux (or maybe even macOS) VM, and work inside that — running shells, editors/IDEs, compilers, Docker containers, etc. And then swipe back over to (less-heavyweight) iPad apps when you're just taking notes / watching videos. Honestly, it's something I've personally wanted for a long time. Despite loving my laptop, I'd love to be able to pack only an iPad when travelling to e.g. conferences. Right now I can't, because what if prod goes down and I need to investigate + develop a critical bugfix + deploy it? If I could run a PC VM on my iPad, I could do all that and more.
- lawlessone 2y agoWould be very funny to see someone emulating a PC on an iPad to Linux so they can use Wine to run windows apps.
- dmonitor 2y agoUse Wine to run Dolphin, running an SNES emulator, running the Gameboy player, playing Tetris