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iPod and iPhone didn't cost $3600 and were actually useful to the general public.

by leptons 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago
And Apple will never introduce a cheaper version?
- talldayo 2y ago
  Only if they fail to convince customers to buy the first, radically expensive version.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Have you not been following Apple for the last…45+ years? But it took Apple over two years to sell the first 1 million iPods and the Apple Watch didn’t take off like gangbusters.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      Yeah, sure bud. This is going to be the one - yes every other headset has failed, but that's because Sony and HTC and Microsoft and Acer and HP and Samsung and Valve and Nreal and Meta weren't Apple, and just lack the taste and common-sense to make the technology work. This time, Apple will win with their second-mover advantage and definitely won't fall victim to the pattern of releasing and discontinuing niche products like Time Machine, Airport and Xserve. Vision Pro, this will be their flagship. Someday. > Have you not been following Apple for the last…45+ years? Not so blindly that I would lose sight of the greater market. There is a pretty clear line in the sand between "high-demand compute hardware" and "shit that is far too expensive that nobody wants". An iPad that you wear on your face falls into the latter category, in case you couldn't tell.
      - JustExAWS 2y ago
        (For some reason. I am getting rate limited on my Scarface_74 account. I can’t find anything that I have been flagged over) Apple sold Airport devices from 1999-2018. I wouldn’t exactly call that a short lived device. Mac - John C. Dvorak, "The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things" iPod - famously “less space than the Nomad. No wireless. Lame.” iPhone - “The PC guys won’t just come in and figure this thing out” - Palm CEO. iPad - this is the most apt comparison. There were plenty of tablet makers before the iPad was introduced
        talldayo 2y ago
        And in 10 years, people like me will cite your silly little quotes when the Vision Pro is less-remembered than the Hololens. It's one thing to follow Apple's product history, it's another thing to blind yourself with their popularity until you refuse to acknowledge their failures. People that habitually quote iPhone detractors are vanishingly rare in that first category.
        JustExAWS 2y ago
        Out of the major categories that Apple has had and I wouldn’t consider an XServe Mac a product category, the only failures have been the Newton, the Pippen, and the QuickTake camera. All of those were pre-2007.
        talldayo 2y ago
        Really makes you think, then. Apple is just so successful but can't find people to pay thousands of dollars for their superior, private VR experience. I thought it was supposed to be a game-changer product offering experiences their competitors could only dream of. Where are the killer apps? Where are the people using it on a regular basis? It obviously can't be Apple's fault since they don't release failed products anymore; it must be the users who are wrong.
        JustExAWS 2y ago
- leptons 2y ago
  Apple is a luxury brand, they don't really do "cheap".
Ancapistani 2y ago
It was $499 for the 4GB version and $599 for the 8GB version, in 2007. That was about twice the price of the nearest competitor, BlackBerry. The Vision Pro is about 6x the price of the Quest 3 - but it's targeted at a completely different vertical, that didn't even exist prior to the Vision Pro launch. I'm bullish on it, but I totally get why others might not be. Only time will tell.
- pzo 2y ago
  It's not only about if something is 2x or 6x but also the final price. Many people can afford iPhone for $1k even though you can get 6x cheaper android model that in many cases would be good enough. Same with going to restaurant or buying a wine. But $3500 price tag is just hard to swallow - not many people have such a 'fun budget'

iPod and iPhone didn't cost $3600 and were actually useful to the general public.

scarface_74 2y ago

And Apple will never introduce a cheaper version?

talldayo 2y ago
Only if they fail to convince customers to buy the first, radically expensive version.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Have you not been following Apple for the last…45+ years? But it took Apple over two years to sell the first 1 million iPods and the Apple Watch didn’t take off like gangbusters.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    Yeah, sure bud. This is going to be the one - yes every other headset has failed, but that's because Sony and HTC and Microsoft and Acer and HP and Samsung and Valve and Nreal and Meta weren't Apple, and just lack the taste and common-sense to make the technology work. This time, Apple will win with their second-mover advantage and definitely won't fall victim to the pattern of releasing and discontinuing niche products like Time Machine, Airport and Xserve. Vision Pro, this will be their flagship. Someday. > Have you not been following Apple for the last…45+ years? Not so blindly that I would lose sight of the greater market. There is a pretty clear line in the sand between "high-demand compute hardware" and "shit that is far too expensive that nobody wants". An iPad that you wear on your face falls into the latter category, in case you couldn't tell.
    - JustExAWS 2y ago
      (For some reason. I am getting rate limited on my Scarface_74 account. I can’t find anything that I have been flagged over) Apple sold Airport devices from 1999-2018. I wouldn’t exactly call that a short lived device. Mac - John C. Dvorak, "The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things" iPod - famously “less space than the Nomad. No wireless. Lame.” iPhone - “The PC guys won’t just come in and figure this thing out” - Palm CEO. iPad - this is the most apt comparison. There were plenty of tablet makers before the iPad was introduced
      - talldayo 2y ago
        And in 10 years, people like me will cite your silly little quotes when the Vision Pro is less-remembered than the Hololens. It's one thing to follow Apple's product history, it's another thing to blind yourself with their popularity until you refuse to acknowledge their failures. People that habitually quote iPhone detractors are vanishingly rare in that first category.
        JustExAWS 2y ago
        Out of the major categories that Apple has had and I wouldn’t consider an XServe Mac a product category, the only failures have been the Newton, the Pippen, and the QuickTake camera. All of those were pre-2007.
        talldayo 2y ago
        Really makes you think, then. Apple is just so successful but can't find people to pay thousands of dollars for their superior, private VR experience. I thought it was supposed to be a game-changer product offering experiences their competitors could only dream of. Where are the killer apps? Where are the people using it on a regular basis? It obviously can't be Apple's fault since they don't release failed products anymore; it must be the users who are wrong.
        JustExAWS 2y ago
leptons 2y ago
Apple is a luxury brand, they don't really do "cheap".

Ancapistani 2y ago

It was $499 for the 4GB version and $599 for the 8GB version, in 2007. That was about twice the price of the nearest competitor, BlackBerry. The Vision Pro is about 6x the price of the Quest 3 - but it's targeted at a completely different vertical, that didn't even exist prior to the Vision Pro launch. I'm bullish on it, but I totally get why others might not be. Only time will tell.

pzo 2y ago
It's not only about if something is 2x or 6x but also the final price. Many people can afford iPhone for $1k even though you can get 6x cheaper android model that in many cases would be good enough. Same with going to restaurant or buying a wine. But $3500 price tag is just hard to swallow - not many people have such a 'fun budget'