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Most features seemed kind of whatever, but that 8K ultra-wide viewing experience looks sick! Having something like that on a flight is going to be great. They

Most features seemed kind of whatever, but that 8K ultra-wide viewing experience looks sick! Having something like that on a flight is going to be great. They did a great job at getting more features and brand partnerships also, but I couldn't help to notice they snuck in that "people have been using Spatial technology for so long and we are now improving it even more". It's marketing speak, I know, but they should be humble if they want it to succeed.

trybackprop 2y ago
+1 the ultra-wide viewing experience is better than what I was expecting: dual monitors
- speedgoose 2y ago
  I hope Rectangle will work well because windows management on vanilla MacOS is lacking.
  - Ancapistani 2y ago
    There are improvements happening with third-party screen-casting apps. "Universal Desktop" is the best IMO at the moment, as it supports streaming individual windows in addition to the entire desktop. It's far from perfect, unfortunately, but it's a step in the right direction, and shows what will be possible soon. I originally thought I wanted multiple virtual displays in visionOS. After using a couple of tools that support that... I've realized that's not a good use of the technology. I think per-window streaming is the right way forward at this point.
  - runjake 2y ago
    They just announced Rectangle-like window tiling in the new macOS version.
    - speedgoose 2y ago
      Incredible. It finally happened!
- passion__desire 2y ago
  What should I do when I need to show a coworker something on my screen?
  - fire_lake 2y ago
    They simply view it on their Vision Pro!
  - Ancapistani 2y ago
    Screen sharing works well. I regularly use it when I'm showing my family something I'm doing by casting to the TV or one of our MacBooks. That said, I don't think it supports casting "back" to the laptop that you're using for Mac Virtual Display. That would be a big improvement I think. Realistically, if it's something on my Virtual Display, I just take of the VP for a moment and my MBP screen comes back on. ETA: I just tried to stream back to the MBP that I'm using with Mac Virtual Display. It "works", but not in the way I'd hoped. My view is streamed to the MBP, but the screen doesn't come back on - instead, the virtual display shows what I'm seeing in the headset. Not helpful, and more than a bit nausea-inducing :(.
    - passion__desire 2y ago
      I had the spacetop laptops in mind when I asked the question. https://www.sightful.com/ https://www.sightful.com/
  - acedTrex 2y ago
    same thing we do today, hop on a call and screenshare.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      i like how the assumption that coworker implied we weren't WFH now
      - acedTrex 2y ago
        Even if i am in the office and someone is sitting right next to me i still do screenshare. I don't like leaning over peoples shoulder or having people over mine
surfingdino 2y ago
Sitting next to someone following the tennis ball flying from one player to another is going to be a nightmare /s
jadbox 2y ago
Even so, I also felt underwhelmed by the whole event. It felt more like an old Microsoft event with how rigid each demo presentation seemed.
- throw46365 2y ago
  It's odd how unexcited Apple people often sound when they say they couldn't be more excited.
  - steve1977 2y ago
    Dopamine burnout. They are so excited every couple of months that they literally cannot be more excited anymore.
  - piva00 2y ago
    They've been trying to follow Steve's old presentations ways but it's been so long that it just feels like a copy of a copy without anything genuine left in it. As someone who stupidly watched a bunch of Apple's keynotes around 2005-2015 it all feels like yet-another-corporation presentation using Apple's style. Pretty off-putting.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      As someone that regularly follows WWDC, many seem just standing there, reading a script.
    - steve1977 2y ago
      Very much this. I know Steve Jobs was a showman, but at least he was charming in a way. Like, I know you're twisting me around your little finger, but I'll let you do it, because it's kind of fun. Whereas now, it feels more like car salesmen (and saleswomen of course) trying to sell me a new car even though my "old" car is still perfectly fine. And they know it and I know it.
  - lynx23 2y ago
    I am so glad presentation training for Cook at least helped some. I remember whenever I heard him speak in the initial days, I couldn't supress the word "valium?" appearing all over my thought-spectrum. It was actually very distracting trying to listen to him speak.
mycall 2y ago
What kind of bandwidth does 8KUW require? Not sure if an airplane could handle that.
- talldayo 2y ago
  The idea of it is making me giggle. Someday I'm going to get seated on a plane next to someone overflowing with Vision Pro dongles. One cable going to power, another cable for the mandatory SSD they store the 8KUW content on, and another cable powering their DAC and Sennheiser headphones. Eat your heart out, home theaters!
  - Ancapistani 2y ago
    I don't think so. The proliferation of dongles and adapters is a function of Apple's apparent ultimate goal of moving everything possible to wireless. The Vision Pro doesn't even have a way to connect external devices. I think that's intentional. Yes, it's a huge limitation right now. Over time, all of those dongles has led to more and more peripherals supporting Bluetooth. Bluetooth has gotten better in the process. You'll be sitting next to someone on a plane with a fully self-contained headset. They may have peripherals in their carryon, but you won't see them. The era of the "personal area network" is almost here, it's just hard to see because we're in a transitional period still.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      The proliferation of dongles and adapters is evidence that not everything will make the jump to wireless. Especially since with Lightning Apple tipped their hand and revealed that their ultimate goal was to license a subset of DRM-encoded USB standards. It feels pretty obvious that Apple's movement towards wireless is mostly about killing the specter of standardized connectivity. Look at external drives; how is wireless going to replace this anywhere? Bluetooth can't even hit SATA speeds, much less 4k streaming speeds without re-encoding and compressing the source material. You might get somewhere with WiFi Direct, but Apple doesn't support that in the first place and requires people to use their proprietary alternatives. Seriously, I want you to sit down and ask yourself one question. If Macs went full-wireless tomorrow, do you sincerely believe that the majority of Mac owners wouldn't own new wireless dongles?
ramesh31 2y ago
TableTopKit sounds pretty interesting. It's always stood out to me as probably one of the best initial use cases for AR. Now you just need a group of friends with $3500 to spare each...
- Ancapistani 2y ago
  > Now you just need a group of friends with $3500 to spare each... This is something that has bothered me a bit about this discussion. While the base model AVP is $3,499, that's not the whole cost. Add $599 for two years of AppleCare+ (honestly essential for a new, relatively fragile and very expensive device), and either $200 or $400 for the storage upgrade. Buying in to the visionOS ecosystem is ~$4,300 right now.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    you don't need the storage upgrade. what you do need is a case, which'll run you $200. And then another $80 for lenses if you wear glasses.
    - asadotzler 2y ago
      And the average sales tax in the US is over 7% so that's another $275 on the price right there. It's really hard not to break $4,000 for this device.

trybackprop 2y ago

+1 the ultra-wide viewing experience is better than what I was expecting: dual monitors

speedgoose 2y ago
I hope Rectangle will work well because windows management on vanilla MacOS is lacking.
- Ancapistani 2y ago
  There are improvements happening with third-party screen-casting apps. "Universal Desktop" is the best IMO at the moment, as it supports streaming individual windows in addition to the entire desktop. It's far from perfect, unfortunately, but it's a step in the right direction, and shows what will be possible soon. I originally thought I wanted multiple virtual displays in visionOS. After using a couple of tools that support that... I've realized that's not a good use of the technology. I think per-window streaming is the right way forward at this point.
- runjake 2y ago
  They just announced Rectangle-like window tiling in the new macOS version.
  - speedgoose 2y ago
    Incredible. It finally happened!
passion__desire 2y ago
What should I do when I need to show a coworker something on my screen?
- fire_lake 2y ago
  They simply view it on their Vision Pro!
- Ancapistani 2y ago
  Screen sharing works well. I regularly use it when I'm showing my family something I'm doing by casting to the TV or one of our MacBooks. That said, I don't think it supports casting "back" to the laptop that you're using for Mac Virtual Display. That would be a big improvement I think. Realistically, if it's something on my Virtual Display, I just take of the VP for a moment and my MBP screen comes back on. ETA: I just tried to stream back to the MBP that I'm using with Mac Virtual Display. It "works", but not in the way I'd hoped. My view is streamed to the MBP, but the screen doesn't come back on - instead, the virtual display shows what I'm seeing in the headset. Not helpful, and more than a bit nausea-inducing :(.
  - passion__desire 2y ago
    I had the spacetop laptops in mind when I asked the question. https://www.sightful.com/ https://www.sightful.com/
- acedTrex 2y ago
  same thing we do today, hop on a call and screenshare.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    i like how the assumption that coworker implied we weren't WFH now
    - acedTrex 2y ago
      Even if i am in the office and someone is sitting right next to me i still do screenshare. I don't like leaning over peoples shoulder or having people over mine

surfingdino 2y ago

Sitting next to someone following the tennis ball flying from one player to another is going to be a nightmare /s

jadbox 2y ago

Even so, I also felt underwhelmed by the whole event. It felt more like an old Microsoft event with how rigid each demo presentation seemed.

throw46365 2y ago
It's odd how unexcited Apple people often sound when they say they couldn't be more excited.
- steve1977 2y ago
  Dopamine burnout. They are so excited every couple of months that they literally cannot be more excited anymore.
- piva00 2y ago
  They've been trying to follow Steve's old presentations ways but it's been so long that it just feels like a copy of a copy without anything genuine left in it. As someone who stupidly watched a bunch of Apple's keynotes around 2005-2015 it all feels like yet-another-corporation presentation using Apple's style. Pretty off-putting.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    As someone that regularly follows WWDC, many seem just standing there, reading a script.
  - steve1977 2y ago
    Very much this. I know Steve Jobs was a showman, but at least he was charming in a way. Like, I know you're twisting me around your little finger, but I'll let you do it, because it's kind of fun. Whereas now, it feels more like car salesmen (and saleswomen of course) trying to sell me a new car even though my "old" car is still perfectly fine. And they know it and I know it.
- lynx23 2y ago
  I am so glad presentation training for Cook at least helped some. I remember whenever I heard him speak in the initial days, I couldn't supress the word "valium?" appearing all over my thought-spectrum. It was actually very distracting trying to listen to him speak.

mycall 2y ago

What kind of bandwidth does 8KUW require? Not sure if an airplane could handle that.

talldayo 2y ago
The idea of it is making me giggle. Someday I'm going to get seated on a plane next to someone overflowing with Vision Pro dongles. One cable going to power, another cable for the mandatory SSD they store the 8KUW content on, and another cable powering their DAC and Sennheiser headphones. Eat your heart out, home theaters!
- Ancapistani 2y ago
  I don't think so. The proliferation of dongles and adapters is a function of Apple's apparent ultimate goal of moving everything possible to wireless. The Vision Pro doesn't even have a way to connect external devices. I think that's intentional. Yes, it's a huge limitation right now. Over time, all of those dongles has led to more and more peripherals supporting Bluetooth. Bluetooth has gotten better in the process. You'll be sitting next to someone on a plane with a fully self-contained headset. They may have peripherals in their carryon, but you won't see them. The era of the "personal area network" is almost here, it's just hard to see because we're in a transitional period still.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    The proliferation of dongles and adapters is evidence that not everything will make the jump to wireless. Especially since with Lightning Apple tipped their hand and revealed that their ultimate goal was to license a subset of DRM-encoded USB standards. It feels pretty obvious that Apple's movement towards wireless is mostly about killing the specter of standardized connectivity. Look at external drives; how is wireless going to replace this anywhere? Bluetooth can't even hit SATA speeds, much less 4k streaming speeds without re-encoding and compressing the source material. You might get somewhere with WiFi Direct, but Apple doesn't support that in the first place and requires people to use their proprietary alternatives. Seriously, I want you to sit down and ask yourself one question. If Macs went full-wireless tomorrow, do you sincerely believe that the majority of Mac owners wouldn't own new wireless dongles?

ramesh31 2y ago

TableTopKit sounds pretty interesting. It's always stood out to me as probably one of the best initial use cases for AR. Now you just need a group of friends with $3500 to spare each...

Ancapistani 2y ago
> Now you just need a group of friends with $3500 to spare each... This is something that has bothered me a bit about this discussion. While the base model AVP is $3,499, that's not the whole cost. Add $599 for two years of AppleCare+ (honestly essential for a new, relatively fragile and very expensive device), and either $200 or $400 for the storage upgrade. Buying in to the visionOS ecosystem is ~$4,300 right now.
- fragmede 2y ago
  you don't need the storage upgrade. what you do need is a case, which'll run you $200. And then another $80 for lenses if you wear glasses.
  - asadotzler 2y ago
    And the average sales tax in the US is over 7% so that's another $275 on the price right there. It's really hard not to break $4,000 for this device.