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Let's face it, Gainax was only an empty shell of its former glory. Most of the "important" people left for Khara and Trigger and Gainax has done nothing of impo
by looperhacks 2y ago
Let's face it, Gainax was only an empty shell of its former glory. Most of the "important" people left for Khara and Trigger and Gainax has done nothing of importance for more than ten years or so?
Also, financial troubles is probably the most Gainax thing possible
- PaulHoule 2y agoEvangelion is almost 30 years old. The fact that they can't name a newer hit anime for them is the problem. I don't know about the economics but from a creative standpoint the anime industry seems quite healthy having recently produced a lot of great shows like Sousou no Frieren, Oshi no Ko, and Konosuba Season 3 in the last year or so.
- PurpleRamen 2y agoIf a massive hit like evangelion is your benchmark, then everything will fail in comparison. Gainix had many good productions even after NGE, but if management sucks, then success will not help. And they haven't released anything new for nearly a decade now. > I don't know about the economics but from a creative standpoint the anime industry seems quite healthy having recently produced a lot of great shows like Sousou no Frieren, Oshi no Ko, and Konosuba Season 3 in the last year or so. Anime is dying, permanently, since decades. It's a very unhealthy exploitive industry, similar to the infamous Hollywood-accounting. And I guess with AI this will only become worse. But most productions are not anime-originals anyway, they usually originate from books or manga, and the creative animation work is rather small and generic at the end.
- omoikane 2y ago> The fact that they can't name a newer hit anime I thought FLCL was quite good. The original one, at least. I heard they made a new FLCL series in recent years but haven't seen it. But maybe most of FLCL's success was due to The Pillows as opposed to Gainax.
- dragontamer 2y agoRanking of Kings is the underrated gem people need to go and watch. And is my pick for best anime of the last 5ish years. Its a bit of a shonen, but hitting shonen tropes isn't necessarily a bad thing. And Ranking of Kings does it in a relatively fresh way, and absolutely nails the "Brothers Grimm" style to fairy-tale magic and lore. (Yes, kid-friendly on the surface, but then deep blood-magic involving the grinding of bones and drinking of blood to infuse deep magicks into the story and lore). Bonus points that the battle scenes are done by the venerated Studio Wit. ------- With regards to Gainax: their last big hit was Gurren Lagaan in 2007 IMO. But even Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 was Studio Khara, not Gainax. You're not wrong, but Gurren Lagaan is a great work, even if all those particular animators left Gainax shortly afterwards and started Studio Trigger. Most people consider Gurren Lagaan to be Studio Trigger for some reason but remember that group was still technically employed by Gainax when Gurren Lagaan came out.
- jon_richards 2y ago> that group was still technically employed by Gainax when Gurren Lagaan came out Huh, TIL. Gurren Lagaan is surprisingly meta. One of the big problems with the fight-focused anime formula is that they constantly one-up themselves, eventually power spiraling to unsustainable levels. So Gurren Lagaan's plot revolves around an energy literally called "spiral power" and how unsustainable it is.
- dchftcs 2y agoThere's a physical limit as to how well one can fight, but competition and growth is just as limitless in the business world as in anime. The top people in early Dragonball make six figures, late Dragonball if you don't have 100 billion you don't qualify for screentime.
- gloryjulio 2y agoThat's why you need jojo's route where it's not about who has the bigger number but who can use the skills better
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- dimmke 2y agoYes but Evangelion is so massive and popular it'd be enough to sustain a studio. Gainax does not have the rights to NGE though. They only produced the original series back in the 90s. Hideaki Anno literally setup a brand new studio specifically to do the rebuild films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khara_(studio) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khara_(studio)
- PaulHoule 2y agoDoesn’t have the staying power of Gundam which has survived postmodernism by producing spin-off shows about people who build Gundam models. (Gee I gotta build that Haro I have sitting around…)
- PurpleRamen 2y agoGundam lives from the model-sales. The anime is just advertisement and justification for a new collection of models.
- shagie 2y agoAdam Savage did a build on Tested back in the lockdown period... Adam Savage's First Gundam Build—RX-78-2 Perfect Grade Unleashed! https://youtu.be/xfmD1yYqP6k https://youtu.be/xfmD1yYqP6k There's also another channel that is in the "I wish I had the time / talent / inspiration to do those things..." Two Expensive Models, One Epic Diorama! https://youtu.be/q7vCFKRHloE https://youtu.be/q7vCFKRHloE The Gundam model build shows up in my YouTube feed occasionally despite me not looking for them.
- fendy3002 2y agoGundam is usually a recycled stories (teenager ride an ace robot to war) with new toys. How can Evangelion recycle their stories? Nobody want to see depressed, horny teenager forced to ride a robot so everyone can be turned into orange paste every two years.
- jeffwask 2y agoIt's always felt like a stretch them trying to turn this story into a franchise. It's like a Death Note franchise it just doesn't make sense.
- agumonkey 2y agoAlso creates a difficult precedent to beat.
- creamyhorror 2y agoAlongside their general mismanagement under their President Yamaga[1] e.g. giving their management unsecured loans of company funds[2], they've been doing random crap like tomato farming.[3] They wouldn't have lasted so long without Hideaki Anno's (Eva) support for old times' sake.[1] They've been a deadbeat since 2012; it's just been a long downhill road to the inevitable end. [1] https://evankaiser.medium.com/hideaki-anno-on-gainax-tainting-the-evangelion-brand-ba16f30161b5 https://evankaiser.medium.com/hideaki-anno-on-gainax-taintin... [2] (Japanese only) https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2330666/photo/1/ https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2330666/photo/1/ [3] https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-12/gainax-expands-into-the-world-of-tomato-farming/.100982 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-04-12/gainax-...
- pknomad 2y agoIt's also not surprising. Anime studios rarely make money off their work. The only exceptions that I can think of are KyoAni and A1 since they have IP ownership, or have financial backing from a bigger company like Sony, respectively.
- michaelt 2y agoYeah the fact the reporter decided Gainax's headline achievement was an anime from 1995 kinda says it all.
- jcranmer 2y agoNot necessarily. Studio Ghibli's headline achievement would likely be considered to be Spirited Away (although I prefer Princess Mononoke), which is nearly as old, but they've still put out some solid work since then. As dragontamer pointed out, Gainax has also produced Gurren Lagann in 2007, which is definitely a pretty big hit, even if it wasn't the phenomenal success of Evangelion.
- mabster 2y agoSeconded on Princess Mononoke. TBH, I haven't really enjoyed any of Ghibli's modern stuff since they moved from stories with morals to essentially dream sequences.
- throw4847285 2y agoIt's all been downhill since Daicon IV!!!
- radicalbyte 2y agoGurren Lagann is rated #1 series of all time by many anime fan, myself included. It's a masterpiece, although the cultural impact isn't of the same level as Evangelion.
- bee_rider 2y agoThat’s Ghibli though. The company that somehow can do Disney style mass appeal and contemplative art films, often at the same time. Gainax makes fantastic, often quite out there, shows that play with anime tropes. Their addressable market is people who are already at least somewhat anime fans.
- karmasimida 2y agoI mean that anime is Evagelion, it is like using Star Wars to showcase Lucasfilm, there is most accurate representation of the studio's accomplishment, as well as assets (used to be).
- astrobe_ 2y agoWhen I look at the credits of popular animes, very often I see what looks like Korean names, as if most of the animation has been outsourced. Could it be related?
- jmcgough 2y agoAmerican animated shows have been outsourcing to Korea since at least the 90s