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I am not familiar with the academic publishing world but it seems this should be disruptable. Why isn't there some other outfit running a WordPress site taking

I am not familiar with the academic publishing world but it seems this should be disruptable. Why isn't there some other outfit running a WordPress site taking submissions and publishing them on much less onerous terms?

Staple_Diet 2y ago
Ha. It's kind of like saying; 'Shit, why are people paying 6 figures for college degrees in US when they could just learn most of that for free'. Because no one gives a shit if you don't have the expensive piece of parchment. Academic publishing is similar. The impact factor and 'prestige' of the journal matters to your University, your peers, your grants panel, and yourself. However this results in 2 scenarios, when you publish in a top tier journal, a) the journal charges you a small fee and also pay-walls your work so your reach is lessened, then actively polices you sharing YOUR work without permission b) the journal charges an exorbitant fee (Nature wants $11,000 USD) for open-access publishing that allows wider distribution (but still has stipulations in some cases). HOWEVER, some editorial boards of big for-profit journals have flipped the table and started their own not-for-profit journals with blackjack and hookers. The big one in my field was NeuroImage board creating Imaging Neuroscience - with a public letter to the owners (Elsevier if I'm not mistaken) calling out the bullshit publishing fees.
- casey2 2y ago
  There is a reason no one gives a shit. And it has nothing to do with publishers. If a paper actually contributed meaningfully to a field it everyone would know about it. Ironically, institutions like Elsevier justify the existence of the numerous hack academics (not scientists) that exist nowadays. Most of whom have no leg to stand on complaining about Elsevier's rent seeking when they themselves would be infinitely more useful flipping burgers.
__rito__ 2y ago
> this should be disruptable This is already disrupted in AI at the highest stages. arXiv paper are the first class citizens there; people regularly cite blog posts, and even tweets in their papers. Rather than journals, people take conferences more seriously. Now, some companies like DeepMind like to publish in Nature for prestige's sake. That's a different thing.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  The disruption started even before the AI hype. ArXiV is not an AI focused service anyway (it started with pysics IIRC). It's FAIR and Open science and push from countries like Germany which forced Elsevier to sign open access submission and publication agreements in the first place. This happened ~5 years before AI hype became something, and ArXiV was a force even before that.

Staple_Diet 2y ago

Ha. It's kind of like saying; 'Shit, why are people paying 6 figures for college degrees in US when they could just learn most of that for free'. Because no one gives a shit if you don't have the expensive piece of parchment. Academic publishing is similar. The impact factor and 'prestige' of the journal matters to your University, your peers, your grants panel, and yourself. However this results in 2 scenarios, when you publish in a top tier journal, a) the journal charges you a small fee and also pay-walls your work so your reach is lessened, then actively polices you sharing YOUR work without permission b) the journal charges an exorbitant fee (Nature wants $11,000 USD) for open-access publishing that allows wider distribution (but still has stipulations in some cases). HOWEVER, some editorial boards of big for-profit journals have flipped the table and started their own not-for-profit journals with blackjack and hookers. The big one in my field was NeuroImage board creating Imaging Neuroscience - with a public letter to the owners (Elsevier if I'm not mistaken) calling out the bullshit publishing fees.

casey2 2y ago
There is a reason no one gives a shit. And it has nothing to do with publishers. If a paper actually contributed meaningfully to a field it everyone would know about it. Ironically, institutions like Elsevier justify the existence of the numerous hack academics (not scientists) that exist nowadays. Most of whom have no leg to stand on complaining about Elsevier's rent seeking when they themselves would be infinitely more useful flipping burgers.

__rito__ 2y ago

> this should be disruptable This is already disrupted in AI at the highest stages. arXiv paper are the first class citizens there; people regularly cite blog posts, and even tweets in their papers. Rather than journals, people take conferences more seriously. Now, some companies like DeepMind like to publish in Nature for prestige's sake. That's a different thing.

bayindirh 2y ago
The disruption started even before the AI hype. ArXiV is not an AI focused service anyway (it started with pysics IIRC). It's FAIR and Open science and push from countries like Germany which forced Elsevier to sign open access submission and publication agreements in the first place. This happened ~5 years before AI hype became something, and ArXiV was a force even before that.