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I mean, yes that is an opinion. Like I said from the beginning there’s no objective right or wrong on whether employees should be working remotely or working in

I mean, yes that is an opinion. Like I said from the beginning there’s no objective right or wrong on whether employees should be working remotely or working in office. Neither represents progress they just represent different opinions.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
> Like I said from the beginning there’s no objective right or wrong on whether employees should be working remotely or working in office. I don't agree with this, but I'm also not willing to argue the point and pollute the thread with someone who has already made up their mind. My apologies in advance.
- paulcole 2y ago
  So you think remote work is objectively "right"? I mean haven't you made up your mind already? because that feels like a more solid position than mine.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    In several countries, it is a right. The evidence shows it is more beneficial for worker quality of life, and there is strong evidence remote work is not detrimental to enterprise success. Change takes time. If you don't think it's a right, is it possible for me to change your mind? Unlikely. Therefore, time passing for those beliefs to age out while new workers age into working who do believe this is a right is the only path forward, no? Certainly, my emotional component is "workers deserve agency" but I'm also data informed, and the data shows remote work to be, if not better, not worse than pre-pandemic work arrangements. https://globalnews.lockton.com/new-remote-working-legislation-around-the-world/ https://globalnews.lockton.com/new-remote-working-legislatio... (i attribute my position to being a high empathy human and seeing the status quo around work arrangements and control for what they are, ymmv)
    - paulcole 2y ago
      > If you don't think it's a right, is it possible for me to change your mind No. I think it should be up to the company to decide whether to offer remote work – outside of the situations where they must offer remote work by law. > my emotional component is "workers deserve agency" Workers have agency! They can go work somewhere that offers remote work. If remote work is so great then many companies will offer it.
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        And so we are at an impasse. Enjoyed the discourse regardless, I can't argue my position effectively without putting myself in the other side's shoes, so I thank you for that.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

> Like I said from the beginning there’s no objective right or wrong on whether employees should be working remotely or working in office. I don't agree with this, but I'm also not willing to argue the point and pollute the thread with someone who has already made up their mind. My apologies in advance.

paulcole 2y ago
So you think remote work is objectively "right"? I mean haven't you made up your mind already? because that feels like a more solid position than mine.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  In several countries, it is a right. The evidence shows it is more beneficial for worker quality of life, and there is strong evidence remote work is not detrimental to enterprise success. Change takes time. If you don't think it's a right, is it possible for me to change your mind? Unlikely. Therefore, time passing for those beliefs to age out while new workers age into working who do believe this is a right is the only path forward, no? Certainly, my emotional component is "workers deserve agency" but I'm also data informed, and the data shows remote work to be, if not better, not worse than pre-pandemic work arrangements. https://globalnews.lockton.com/new-remote-working-legislation-around-the-world/ https://globalnews.lockton.com/new-remote-working-legislatio... (i attribute my position to being a high empathy human and seeing the status quo around work arrangements and control for what they are, ymmv)
  - paulcole 2y ago
    > If you don't think it's a right, is it possible for me to change your mind No. I think it should be up to the company to decide whether to offer remote work – outside of the situations where they must offer remote work by law. > my emotional component is "workers deserve agency" Workers have agency! They can go work somewhere that offers remote work. If remote work is so great then many companies will offer it.
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      And so we are at an impasse. Enjoyed the discourse regardless, I can't argue my position effectively without putting myself in the other side's shoes, so I thank you for that.