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I'm hoping eventually Framework will put out an ARM board for the Framework 13. That's when I'll get an ARM laptop.

Netcob 2y ago
Same. I don't use my laptop from 2018 or so that much - so I can wait. I definitely prefer Framework's concept over everything else, but I'm also not impressed with x86 battery life. Guess I have some time to choose between 13 and 16.
craftkiller 2y ago
I don't think ARM would be a compelling enough reason for me to switch from the AMD board, but risc-v with open source firmware, lpcamm2, and ECC would get my pre-order in a heartbeat.
- VyseofArcadia 2y ago
  Depends on battery life. A significant upgrade to battery life from the AMD board, something on the order of 16+ hours on a full charge, would do it for me.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Dell claims 27h battery life for Snapdragon XPS 13, https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/dells-new-xps-13-laptop-running-a-snapdragon-x-elite-cpu-has-27-hours-of-battery-life-9-more-than-the-intel-version/ https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/dells-new-xps-13...
    - PMunch 2y ago
      Which has the same battery size as this machine. Considering my own experience with Linux on laptops (granted with i3 and not KDE) this machine could be a beast in terms of battery life.
snvzz 2y ago
I'd rather them do RISC-V, not this ARM distraction.
- crest 2y ago
  Can you name a single RISC-V core that has been taped-out with enough single-threaded throughput to enable an enjoyable desktop experience? A 1.5GHz D1 core is a toy and architectural dead end.
  - snvzz 2y ago
    >A 1.5GHz D1 core is a toy What is that? I cannot find anything about a D1 core. There is, however, a three-year old SoC called D1 using C906 core. Did you mean that? If so, why highlight such an old design? >and architectural dead end. If you really meant C906, then this has already been proved wrong by C908, shipping in Kendryte K230. That is an improved C906, with the ratified Vector extension.
- Arcuru 2y ago
  Is there a RISC-V CPU that is even remotely close to modern high-end laptop performance? Do you know of one on anybody's roadmap even?
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    Mostly the investment is mostly in high performance servers. The Tenstorrent one is more broad in use and might be a good fit. But they are not gone focus on laptops.
    - snvzz 2y ago
      Tenstorrent Ascalon is their larger, 8-wide core, within an entire family of cores. The second largest is Alastor, which is 6 wide and might be appropriate for laptops or even phones. They have even smaller designs.
- lifty 2y ago

Same. I don't use my laptop from 2018 or so that much - so I can wait. I definitely prefer Framework's concept over everything else, but I'm also not impressed with x86 battery life. Guess I have some time to choose between 13 and 16.

craftkiller 2y ago

I don't think ARM would be a compelling enough reason for me to switch from the AMD board, but risc-v with open source firmware, lpcamm2, and ECC would get my pre-order in a heartbeat.

VyseofArcadia 2y ago
Depends on battery life. A significant upgrade to battery life from the AMD board, something on the order of 16+ hours on a full charge, would do it for me.
- walterbell 2y ago
  Dell claims 27h battery life for Snapdragon XPS 13, https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/dells-new-xps-13-laptop-running-a-snapdragon-x-elite-cpu-has-27-hours-of-battery-life-9-more-than-the-intel-version/ https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/dells-new-xps-13...
  - PMunch 2y ago
    Which has the same battery size as this machine. Considering my own experience with Linux on laptops (granted with i3 and not KDE) this machine could be a beast in terms of battery life.

snvzz 2y ago

I'd rather them do RISC-V, not this ARM distraction.

crest 2y ago
Can you name a single RISC-V core that has been taped-out with enough single-threaded throughput to enable an enjoyable desktop experience? A 1.5GHz D1 core is a toy and architectural dead end.
- snvzz 2y ago
  >A 1.5GHz D1 core is a toy What is that? I cannot find anything about a D1 core. There is, however, a three-year old SoC called D1 using C906 core. Did you mean that? If so, why highlight such an old design? >and architectural dead end. If you really meant C906, then this has already been proved wrong by C908, shipping in Kendryte K230. That is an improved C906, with the ratified Vector extension.
Arcuru 2y ago
Is there a RISC-V CPU that is even remotely close to modern high-end laptop performance? Do you know of one on anybody's roadmap even?
- panick21_ 2y ago
  Mostly the investment is mostly in high performance servers. The Tenstorrent one is more broad in use and might be a good fit. But they are not gone focus on laptops.
  - snvzz 2y ago
    Tenstorrent Ascalon is their larger, 8-wide core, within an entire family of cores. The second largest is Alastor, which is 6 wide and might be appropriate for laptops or even phones. They have even smaller designs.
lifty 2y ago