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Whether companie they used it as a ploy to get people to voluntarily quit, or not, it hasn't really worked for them. These are now stuck with the desperate sec

Whether companie they used it as a ploy to get people to voluntarily quit, or not, it hasn't really worked for them. These are now stuck with the desperate second rate employees who are forced to RTO because they're not good enough to find a job elsewhere, and the ones who love RTO because they're all for office politics and wasting time at meetings and the water cooler. Stupid shit like this is how companies commit suicide, and smarter companies end up eating their lunch. From another comment here: "My company recently spun out of a much larger corporation and has just implemented a 4-day week policy after nearly 5 years of flexible work (ie. come in when you need to be in to do your job). Since then, my team has halved and the senior leadership at the site have almost all left to competitors except for a couple of people closing on retirement anyway. We're struggling to get the bare minimum done and have to ZBB almost everything that isn't core work. (...) They've had to cut a couple of things off the product roadmaps that have been worked on for years simply because we now don't have the staff to drive them to completion. Just madness"

jjav 2y ago
> These are now stuck with the desperate second rate employees who are forced to RTO because they're not good enough to find a job elsewhere This assumes that RTO is the one and only factor top people consider. Which for most people isn't true. There are usually dozens of factors that go into the equation of should I quit. My current company is doing a small RTO (2 days), which I don't love, but also don't mind that much. Everything else being equal I'd rather not do that. But I have awesome coworkers, very good management, many growth opportunities and the company has a nice product. I'm not giving all that up to gamble on a different employer who might turn out to be toxic despite all the promises during the hiring process (BTDT).
varjag 2y ago
There is no evidence that WFH preference reflects on employee value or productivity in any way.
consp 2y ago
> These are now stuck with the desperate second rate employees who are forced to RTO because they're not good enough to find a job elsewhere It's always that. My opinion is it is more likely is that most people hate job seeking and don't want to switch unless truly forced. So you end up with people quitting and dissatisfied workers. I have nothing to back this up but the majority of people I suspect don't think of themselves in the "bad" group and thus this argument is mute by default (as it assumes the employees know they cannot or will not find a job).

jjav 2y ago

> These are now stuck with the desperate second rate employees who are forced to RTO because they're not good enough to find a job elsewhere This assumes that RTO is the one and only factor top people consider. Which for most people isn't true. There are usually dozens of factors that go into the equation of should I quit. My current company is doing a small RTO (2 days), which I don't love, but also don't mind that much. Everything else being equal I'd rather not do that. But I have awesome coworkers, very good management, many growth opportunities and the company has a nice product. I'm not giving all that up to gamble on a different employer who might turn out to be toxic despite all the promises during the hiring process (BTDT).

varjag 2y ago

There is no evidence that WFH preference reflects on employee value or productivity in any way.

consp 2y ago

> These are now stuck with the desperate second rate employees who are forced to RTO because they're not good enough to find a job elsewhere It's always that. My opinion is it is more likely is that most people hate job seeking and don't want to switch unless truly forced. So you end up with people quitting and dissatisfied workers. I have nothing to back this up but the majority of people I suspect don't think of themselves in the "bad" group and thus this argument is mute by default (as it assumes the employees know they cannot or will not find a job).