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I'm not aware of anyone having a solution for "batteries" at the required scale. We'd need several TWh of storage, there could be a month without wind. The onl

I'm not aware of anyone having a solution for "batteries" at the required scale. We'd need several TWh of storage, there could be a month without wind. The only reason nuclear scales so slowly is because of the bureaucracy.

boxed 2y ago
There can't be a month without wind. That's just not how any of this works.
- TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
  Actually there can be a year without a wind - see low winds in Europe in 2021
  - boxed 2y ago
    "Low" is a far cry from "no".
  - kvemkon 2y ago
    There actually have been many months without more than half of nuclear reactors in France in 2022 - beginning 2023. And in France there are not enough different energy sources to compensate. https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220825-france-prolongs-shutdown-of-nuclear-reactors-over-corrosion-amid-rising-energy-prices https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220825-france-prolongs-... Taking down such reactors is a periodically routine for maintenance. The question is only how fast you can bring them up again (especially in case of serious repair needs).
    - TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
      But that can be easily rectified by building cooling towers, instead of using river for cooling. What are you going to do with wind not blowing?
      - kvemkon 2y ago
        > easily That can be easily rectified by building energy conservation facilities for wind (and other renewables) instead of halting wind generators.
        TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
        But your point about French NPs is technicality which can be rectified. Time of low wind can't be rectified unless we are able to control the weather.
        kvemkon 2y ago
        > But your point about French NPs is technicality which can be rectified. No, you cannot avoid using electricity few months in summer to have electricity for the rest time. And you cannot double the number of extremely costly NPs to have one half online while another half is being maintained/repaired.

boxed 2y ago

There can't be a month without wind. That's just not how any of this works.

TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
Actually there can be a year without a wind - see low winds in Europe in 2021
- boxed 2y ago
  "Low" is a far cry from "no".
- kvemkon 2y ago
  There actually have been many months without more than half of nuclear reactors in France in 2022 - beginning 2023. And in France there are not enough different energy sources to compensate. https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220825-france-prolongs-shutdown-of-nuclear-reactors-over-corrosion-amid-rising-energy-prices https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220825-france-prolongs-... Taking down such reactors is a periodically routine for maintenance. The question is only how fast you can bring them up again (especially in case of serious repair needs).
  - TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
    But that can be easily rectified by building cooling towers, instead of using river for cooling. What are you going to do with wind not blowing?
    - kvemkon 2y ago
      > easily That can be easily rectified by building energy conservation facilities for wind (and other renewables) instead of halting wind generators.
      - TheLoafOfBread 2y ago
        But your point about French NPs is technicality which can be rectified. Time of low wind can't be rectified unless we are able to control the weather.
        kvemkon 2y ago
        > But your point about French NPs is technicality which can be rectified. No, you cannot avoid using electricity few months in summer to have electricity for the rest time. And you cannot double the number of extremely costly NPs to have one half online while another half is being maintained/repaired.