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I don’t understand how that’s at odds with having spec-valid HTML and CSS

by sitharus 2y ago

Aardwolf 2y ago
Because updating to become conformant might come with the risk of making it a "modern" overhaul :/
- noobermin 2y ago
  So, I'm fearful of that as most people here, but if any entity can manage a respectful update, it has to be someone Y Combinator can pay.
- jraph 2y ago
  You don't need > no cookie popups, no "subscribe to our newsletter" slide-ins, no phenomenon where the content loads but then a second later the page resets and re-loads the content again (probably with more ads or something) to fix rendering layout using tables and cell width to render comment levels. Just a few lines of CSS and Arc really. That would be a big overhaul only because HN is very small, but not that big in absolute.
  - rwalle 2y ago
    And I just want a reasonable font size. On desktop it is miserable -- I always need to zoom to 133% to match the font size I see on other websites. On mobile it is ok.
    - perilunar 2y ago
      I find it way too small on desktop, but it's not an issue because the browser remembers my zoom level. But I also find it too small on my mobile, and increasing the font size doesn't improve things, just makes it necessary to scroll sideways to read the comments. Overall the font size settings on HN are crap. I really wish @dang would listen to the frequent complaints and fix them.
    - nick__m 2y ago
      I use the addon stylus on Firefox and apply a custom css. HN is really easy to customize and it never change.
      - plorkyeran 2y ago
        Yeah, my stylus override for HN is: .comment { font-size: 14pt; } .comhead { font-size: 12pt; } I set this up many years ago and have not had to touch it since.
- gbalduzzi 2y ago
  Those two things are not related at all though
nightpool 2y ago
Because HN's development prioritized "good for the user" over "good for browser developers". https://www.w3.org/TR/design-principles/#priority-of-constituencies https://www.w3.org/TR/design-principles/#priority-of-constit... https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8890 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8890 Anyway, the "errors" that OP mentions are simply just deprecated attribute styling and like, one or two instances of center tags. Hardly breaking anybody's back to continue supporting those.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  Apparently not “good for the user”, given how many people here have commented about the increased font size or custom CSS extensions they need to use on HN to make it readable.

I don’t understand how that’s at odds with having spec-valid HTML and CSS

Aardwolf 2y ago

Because updating to become conformant might come with the risk of making it a "modern" overhaul :/

noobermin 2y ago
So, I'm fearful of that as most people here, but if any entity can manage a respectful update, it has to be someone Y Combinator can pay.
jraph 2y ago
You don't need > no cookie popups, no "subscribe to our newsletter" slide-ins, no phenomenon where the content loads but then a second later the page resets and re-loads the content again (probably with more ads or something) to fix rendering layout using tables and cell width to render comment levels. Just a few lines of CSS and Arc really. That would be a big overhaul only because HN is very small, but not that big in absolute.
- rwalle 2y ago
  And I just want a reasonable font size. On desktop it is miserable -- I always need to zoom to 133% to match the font size I see on other websites. On mobile it is ok.
  - perilunar 2y ago
    I find it way too small on desktop, but it's not an issue because the browser remembers my zoom level. But I also find it too small on my mobile, and increasing the font size doesn't improve things, just makes it necessary to scroll sideways to read the comments. Overall the font size settings on HN are crap. I really wish @dang would listen to the frequent complaints and fix them.
  - nick__m 2y ago
    I use the addon stylus on Firefox and apply a custom css. HN is really easy to customize and it never change.
    - plorkyeran 2y ago
      Yeah, my stylus override for HN is: .comment { font-size: 14pt; } .comhead { font-size: 12pt; } I set this up many years ago and have not had to touch it since.
gbalduzzi 2y ago
Those two things are not related at all though

nightpool 2y ago

Because HN's development prioritized "good for the user" over "good for browser developers". https://www.w3.org/TR/design-principles/#priority-of-constituencies https://www.w3.org/TR/design-principles/#priority-of-constit... https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8890 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8890 Anyway, the "errors" that OP mentions are simply just deprecated attribute styling and like, one or two instances of center tags. Hardly breaking anybody's back to continue supporting those.

nozzlegear 2y ago
Apparently not “good for the user”, given how many people here have commented about the increased font size or custom CSS extensions they need to use on HN to make it readable.