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It appeals to me. I don't write fronted code, but sometimes I want a frontend, even if it's really dinky. This seems way more approachable to me than learning J

It appeals to me. I don't write fronted code, but sometimes I want a frontend, even if it's really dinky. This seems way more approachable to me than learning JS/all the shit you have to deal with to write a non-toy ui

alabhyajindal 2y ago
Let's say you want a frontend for your server and have never written HTML before. Where so you start? If you have decided on using Python for the UI you have a handful of libraries each with their own documentation. To get started you need to choose one and then read the guides. If you decide to use HTML you have a whole lot more resources. I'd argue you'll be able to make a frontend faster using this approach. I understand the hesitation because of the complexity associated with JS. Maybe you're thinking about bundlers and minifiers when you think about writing a frontend with JS. But you don't need that. You can create amazing user experiences with a plain HTML, CSS and a JS file.
- simula67 2y ago
  While you may be able to create amazing experiences in JavaScript, JavaScript still has multiple problems: 1. It is inconsistent [1] 2. It does not have many features that programmers love and other languages have. 3. It has a community that holds different values from what other programmers value themselves. If people want to continue development in JavaScript, they can. But since JavaScript has a monopoly on the (fairly large) 'frontend development for the web' market, there will always be attempts to find an alternative. [1] https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
  - alabhyajindal 2y ago
    1. I write both Python and JavaScript and find Python to be vastly more inconsistent. [1] 2. What are the missing JavaScript features that could be useful for web development? 3. I don't understand what you mean by this. Finding alternatives are great. My point is that JavaScript/HTML/CSS are great and it's worth learning them if you want to work on frontends. [1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66947264/why-do-python-standard-library-modules-not-follow-basic-pep8-rules https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66947264/why-do-python-s...
- zinodaur 2y ago
  I'm not trying to make an argument for "Python for the UI" in general. I just looked at their demo page, and thought "huh I could probably turn my debug script in to an okay looking UI in an hour with this". Maybe you are right that I could make something okay looking with plain HTML/CSS/JS in less time (including the time to figure out HTML/CSS/JS?)
  - alabhyajindal 2y ago
    I agree on making a demo for an existing Python project. I have used Gradio and I think it's amazing! I disagree on the using something like this to start making a UI. When you know that your project requires a complex frontend, you're better of starting with HTML.

alabhyajindal 2y ago

Let's say you want a frontend for your server and have never written HTML before. Where so you start? If you have decided on using Python for the UI you have a handful of libraries each with their own documentation. To get started you need to choose one and then read the guides. If you decide to use HTML you have a whole lot more resources. I'd argue you'll be able to make a frontend faster using this approach. I understand the hesitation because of the complexity associated with JS. Maybe you're thinking about bundlers and minifiers when you think about writing a frontend with JS. But you don't need that. You can create amazing user experiences with a plain HTML, CSS and a JS file.

simula67 2y ago
While you may be able to create amazing experiences in JavaScript, JavaScript still has multiple problems: 1. It is inconsistent [1] 2. It does not have many features that programmers love and other languages have. 3. It has a community that holds different values from what other programmers value themselves. If people want to continue development in JavaScript, they can. But since JavaScript has a monopoly on the (fairly large) 'frontend development for the web' market, there will always be attempts to find an alternative. [1] https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
- alabhyajindal 2y ago
  1. I write both Python and JavaScript and find Python to be vastly more inconsistent. [1] 2. What are the missing JavaScript features that could be useful for web development? 3. I don't understand what you mean by this. Finding alternatives are great. My point is that JavaScript/HTML/CSS are great and it's worth learning them if you want to work on frontends. [1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66947264/why-do-python-standard-library-modules-not-follow-basic-pep8-rules https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66947264/why-do-python-s...
zinodaur 2y ago
I'm not trying to make an argument for "Python for the UI" in general. I just looked at their demo page, and thought "huh I could probably turn my debug script in to an okay looking UI in an hour with this". Maybe you are right that I could make something okay looking with plain HTML/CSS/JS in less time (including the time to figure out HTML/CSS/JS?)
- alabhyajindal 2y ago
  I agree on making a demo for an existing Python project. I have used Gradio and I think it's amazing! I disagree on the using something like this to start making a UI. When you know that your project requires a complex frontend, you're better of starting with HTML.