Correct, it's not specific to sqlalchemy - I'm just saying I notice this a lot with sqlalchemy. Probably because it was the first significant bug I had to figur

Correct, it's not specific to sqlalchemy - I'm just saying I notice this a lot with sqlalchemy. Probably because it was the first significant bug I had to figure out how to fix when I introduced it in one of my first apps. I guess we never forget the first time we shot ourselves in the foot.