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Isn't the Qualcomm chip just an ARM design? Seeing as Linux can run on ARM, is this new? I always just expected to be able to run an ARM based linux on these de
by pedalpete 2y ago
Isn't the Qualcomm chip just an ARM design? Seeing as Linux can run on ARM, is this new? I always just expected to be able to run an ARM based linux on these devices.
- Dalewyn 2y agoI presume the actual remarkable thing everyone wants, not mentioned anywhere in this article, is a Qualcomm CPU booting into BIOS/UEFI and subsequently into Windows and Linux, aka the x86-ification of ARM and thus the Personal Computerization (IBM-ification?) of ARM.
- walterbell 2y agoQualcomm SDXE Arm UEFI for Linux is a work in progress, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40422286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40422286
- wmf 2y agoSure, the CPU is ARM but you need drivers for everything else. Fortunately Qualcomm is providing those drivers.
- bobmcnamara 2y agoNot quite, Oryon is a custom design implementing AArch64 Instruction Set Architecture by Nuvia, a Qualcomm acquisition.
- wyldfire 2y agoThis distinction is important for the sake of performance but not (or only barely) about compatibility. This thread focuses on functionality and the linux support referred to in the title is devices and not the CPU, which -- as you've indicated -- should Just Work because it's implementing the ISA standard. For the laptop to work, it means that the audio, display, camera, storage, external buses will work. As noted in other threads, this is interesting because of Qualcomm's re-invigorated engagement with kernel development.
- bobmcnamara 2y agoIt matters a whole heck of a lot if Arm is able to destroy the Oryon, which they're trying to do in court.
- numpad0 2y agoIt matters, because computer processors generally don't interchange. It's extremely "PC Platform" specific phenomenon that every PC runs the same OS just fine sans for eyecandy peripherals. Booting from a wrong image usually crashes the CPU seconds after power-up for most other platforms. It's not rare that replacing a "HN123X456" processor with "HN123X765" chip involves minor code changes. ARM had supposedly fixed that problem with SystemReady certification program, personally I will believe it when I see it. Are there even two different iPhone models that runs the same recovery image?
- alberth 2y agoAre these the chips n Microsoft recent Surface arm launch? EDIT: to answer my own question, yes - it appears so. https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24160498/microsoft-arm-surface-laptop-6-qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24160498/microsoft-arm-su...
- wtallis 2y agoIt's not so much a recent launch as an ongoing launch, that has had a remarkably drawn-out timeline: Qualcomm announced the specs of the top-tier processors in October, then announced the lower-tier processors in April, then OEMs announced systems in May, but retail availability and delivery of pre-orders are still a week away (and presumably the embargo on the real product reviews expires sometime between now and the 18th). Qualcomm has clearly put careful planning into maximizing the publicity opportunities they can get out of a single product generation, and with an impressive degree of cooperation from OEMs, but it's really starting to look absurd considering that Apple has launched (announced and shipped) two processor generations in the same time frame (albeit the M4 is only in an iPad so far).
- wmf 2y agoAlso known as the ARM instruction set.
- bobmcnamara 2y agoIf Arm had its way, Oryon would be destroyed at customs.
- fc_ 2y agoYes, it's a custom design originally made by Nuvia, but it's still based on ARM64 (=AArch64).
- bobmcnamara 2y agoNot quite, Oryon is a custom design implementing AArch64 Instruction Set Architecture by Nuvia, a Qualcomm acquisition.