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I'm a long time Apple fan and user but I very much dislike their App Store and its policies. In principle, a fair and open App Store (outside of things like por

I'm a long time Apple fan and user but I very much dislike their App Store and its policies. In principle, a fair and open App Store (outside of things like porn and illegal activities) make sense. But it's neither. It's used as a crutch to beat developers with and actively harm users. I'd much rather they fix their policies than be forced to by the government. But they don't actual care about the users, and so I can't wait until the US does what the EU did (even if its not the best solution).

ssahoo 2y ago
Why ban Porn from the appstore? Whats the logic here?
- salad-tycoon 2y ago
  I’ll take a stab at answering this. Business and moral reasons likely. Porn has a high rate of charge backs. Increased credit processing fees. Expensive to work with processors who allow it. Porn can carry legal implications. Are there any non consensual images? Children in them or viewing them? Revenge porn? AI deep fake porn? Who wants to associate their products and company alongside porn? Different countries and localities have different laws. Are you going to legally complaint? Will this lead to legal consequences for you or your users? Then I will make a moral argument. Porn sucks. I grew up with porn, I am not a puritan, I understand some people do it as a job to scrape by or even to make a lot of money. I also understand not everyone shares my moral values. That said, I can’t think of a single thing having endless firehoses of porn available everywhere 24/7 has done for society. Seems to permeate relationship expectations, kids are asking in school what the best way to choke a girl is now for example. Porn titallates the senses until it doesn’t and then you start looking for stronger porn instead. It saps motivation and sure seems to have shaped modern western society. I could go on but I’ve made my point and need to hop off the soap box. These reasons I would see as applicable. In essence, reputational damage.
  - tombert 2y ago
    I agree with the chargeback and legal reasons, and I think those are valid enough reason for Apple to restrict porn from showing up in the App Store. POTENTIAL TMI: The moral reasons? I'm not so sure; sample size of one, but I was a pretty typical 13 year old boy with the internet and engaged with it, and my sexual tastes are pretty vanilla and haven't changed much in the last twenty years. I don't think it necessarily follows that having lots of access to porn leads to a desire for harder and harder porn. I never wanted to watch scat porn of rape roleplay or anything crazy like that. I think porn is pretty bad for young people in general, I think it does objectify people and creates unrealistic and bizarre standards (for all genders, but disproportionately women), and I think a lot of it is exploitive, so I'm not really trying to defend the porn industry. It's pretty shady. END OF TMI.

ssahoo 2y ago

Why ban Porn from the appstore? Whats the logic here?

salad-tycoon 2y ago
I’ll take a stab at answering this. Business and moral reasons likely. Porn has a high rate of charge backs. Increased credit processing fees. Expensive to work with processors who allow it. Porn can carry legal implications. Are there any non consensual images? Children in them or viewing them? Revenge porn? AI deep fake porn? Who wants to associate their products and company alongside porn? Different countries and localities have different laws. Are you going to legally complaint? Will this lead to legal consequences for you or your users? Then I will make a moral argument. Porn sucks. I grew up with porn, I am not a puritan, I understand some people do it as a job to scrape by or even to make a lot of money. I also understand not everyone shares my moral values. That said, I can’t think of a single thing having endless firehoses of porn available everywhere 24/7 has done for society. Seems to permeate relationship expectations, kids are asking in school what the best way to choke a girl is now for example. Porn titallates the senses until it doesn’t and then you start looking for stronger porn instead. It saps motivation and sure seems to have shaped modern western society. I could go on but I’ve made my point and need to hop off the soap box. These reasons I would see as applicable. In essence, reputational damage.
- tombert 2y ago
  I agree with the chargeback and legal reasons, and I think those are valid enough reason for Apple to restrict porn from showing up in the App Store. POTENTIAL TMI: The moral reasons? I'm not so sure; sample size of one, but I was a pretty typical 13 year old boy with the internet and engaged with it, and my sexual tastes are pretty vanilla and haven't changed much in the last twenty years. I don't think it necessarily follows that having lots of access to porn leads to a desire for harder and harder porn. I never wanted to watch scat porn of rape roleplay or anything crazy like that. I think porn is pretty bad for young people in general, I think it does objectify people and creates unrealistic and bizarre standards (for all genders, but disproportionately women), and I think a lot of it is exploitive, so I'm not really trying to defend the porn industry. It's pretty shady. END OF TMI.