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Wow, We have gone from hallucinations to bullshit. Still anthropomorphizing. It's not alive, it's not intelligent, it wont ever get there, it wont be sentient

Wow, We have gone from hallucinations to bullshit. Still anthropomorphizing. It's not alive, it's not intelligent, it wont ever get there, it wont be sentient or sapient. These are bugs, or defects, or bad design, or product failures.

Sharlin 2y ago
The authors’ definition of bullshit ("soft" bullshit at the very least) applies no matter whether the bullshitter is sentient or not: text produced without concern as to its truth value.
- conartist6 2y ago
  https://www.gawkerarchives.com/on-smarm-1476594977 https://www.gawkerarchives.com/on-smarm-1476594977
- credit_guy 2y ago
  Yes, but it's the wrong definition. The fundamental reason people bullshit is that they have something to gain. LLMs have nothing to gain. So it is much more appropriate to call what they do "hallucination" rather than "bullshit".
  - boxed 2y ago
    The reason isn't relevant.
  - KSteffensen 2y ago
    LLMs don't have anything to gain, but the people publishing their output do. I find it entirely appropriate to call LLMs "bullshit generators" rather than "hallucination generators".
  - Aloisius 2y ago
    I think we're capable of stretching the meaning of a term that originally referred to the excrement of male cattle, to non-humans. Especially given people refer to objects as bullshit all the time.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > LLMs have nothing to gain I thought we killed all the models that refused to bullshit, so only the ones that sound impressive remain.
- empath75 2y ago
  > text produced without concern as to its truth value. Since the "concern", if the model has one at all, is to produce text likely to be produced by humans in the same context, then that would imply that it has concern as to it's truth value, precisely in as much as the average human has concern about the truth of the text they produce.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  Do rocks bullshit you? How about the dog? You need people to bullshit. The terms hallucinate and temperature, and now bullshit humanize a program. Babies are cute, stuffed animals are cute, Im not trying to convince you that one is alive and going to grow out of control and kill you or take your job...
santoshalper 2y ago
The idea that these language toys are in any way a step towards AGI is risible and will seem incredibly embarrassing in 10 years.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  There will be a lot of manual CV redacting to remove or lessen the importance of people's involvement with AI. Like who puts VR or AR on their CVs these days? I have seen to versions on the same CV from a guy who applied for a job with the client I consult for. Two years ago, he was highlighting his Oculus dev experience, this year he describes that role as 3d software development.
  - makapuf 2y ago
    And some lines about big data are not so big anymore either..
    - surfingdino 2y ago
      References to XML or SOAP have almost become extinct.
      - zer00eyz 2y ago
        Your resume should be on the block chain, all your achievements could be NFT's... Oh wait.

Sharlin 2y ago

The authors’ definition of bullshit ("soft" bullshit at the very least) applies no matter whether the bullshitter is sentient or not: text produced without concern as to its truth value.

conartist6 2y ago
https://www.gawkerarchives.com/on-smarm-1476594977 https://www.gawkerarchives.com/on-smarm-1476594977
credit_guy 2y ago
Yes, but it's the wrong definition. The fundamental reason people bullshit is that they have something to gain. LLMs have nothing to gain. So it is much more appropriate to call what they do "hallucination" rather than "bullshit".
- boxed 2y ago
  The reason isn't relevant.
- KSteffensen 2y ago
  LLMs don't have anything to gain, but the people publishing their output do. I find it entirely appropriate to call LLMs "bullshit generators" rather than "hallucination generators".
- Aloisius 2y ago
  I think we're capable of stretching the meaning of a term that originally referred to the excrement of male cattle, to non-humans. Especially given people refer to objects as bullshit all the time.
- Jensson 2y ago
  > LLMs have nothing to gain I thought we killed all the models that refused to bullshit, so only the ones that sound impressive remain.
empath75 2y ago
> text produced without concern as to its truth value. Since the "concern", if the model has one at all, is to produce text likely to be produced by humans in the same context, then that would imply that it has concern as to it's truth value, precisely in as much as the average human has concern about the truth of the text they produce.
zer00eyz 2y ago
Do rocks bullshit you? How about the dog? You need people to bullshit. The terms hallucinate and temperature, and now bullshit humanize a program. Babies are cute, stuffed animals are cute, Im not trying to convince you that one is alive and going to grow out of control and kill you or take your job...

santoshalper 2y ago

The idea that these language toys are in any way a step towards AGI is risible and will seem incredibly embarrassing in 10 years.

surfingdino 2y ago
There will be a lot of manual CV redacting to remove or lessen the importance of people's involvement with AI. Like who puts VR or AR on their CVs these days? I have seen to versions on the same CV from a guy who applied for a job with the client I consult for. Two years ago, he was highlighting his Oculus dev experience, this year he describes that role as 3d software development.
- makapuf 2y ago
  And some lines about big data are not so big anymore either..
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    References to XML or SOAP have almost become extinct.
    - zer00eyz 2y ago
      Your resume should be on the block chain, all your achievements could be NFT's... Oh wait.