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My main problem with bookmarks that I forget about them. I don't need a bookmark keeping service, I need one which would bring them forward when I look for some

My main problem with bookmarks that I forget about them. I don't need a bookmark keeping service, I need one which would bring them forward when I look for something, based on context too. Something like which also makes a plain text searchable snapshot of the page? Maybe LLMs can solve that.

dcsan 2y ago
A friend is building service called memxi that scrapes thr page you bookmark and then gives u a rag like way to look up things later with LLM fuzzy search
brunoarueira 2y ago
I'd the same problem and thinking a little bit, maybe a browser extension integrated with LLMs and services like betula?
Zambyte 2y ago
I solve this by saving links in Org Roam with links to other notes for related topics. Then when I want to find things, I can look at the backlinks for some topic note. There are lots of similar tools that also support this flow; basically anything that supports note backlinks (Obsidian, Joplin, Logseq, etc.). I don't ever really use browser bookmarks, because I never found myself actually doing anything but saving links (I never referred to them later). I actually find and navigate to links I save in my notes all the time though.
ww520 2y ago
Same problem here. I have thousands of bookmarks and have no quick way to find out what I have. The bookmarks just get lost in the nested folders. I built a browser extension for myself to show all the bookmarks on one page, making it easy to access them and to search them. I called it One Page Favorites. Basically all my bookmarks/favorites on one page. Edit: Also it’s the first time for me to try to do an extension for all three browsers at the same time, Chrome, Edge, and Firefox.
- joshu 2y ago
  this is literally why i invented tagging
  - ww520 2y ago
    Tags are good. Does the browsers have a standard way to access them? I know Firefox has something. Not sure about Chrome/Edge/Safari. I know some people just annotate the title with tags during bookmarking, like [tag1 tag2]. Searching would definitely hit on those.
- kseistrup 2y ago
  Betula bookmarks can be tagged, so to the extend you can add relevant tags, you should be able to find bookmarks you are looking for.
- sodimel 2y ago
  I had the same problem for my bookmarks, but I (kinda) answered it using 2 ways: Random link (when you don't know what to search but want to visit a (curated) cool link), and search (search in title, link, tags, description). On the paper it works great, if only you can tags those links and write a comprehensive description using keywords you'll remember. But in real life, it's something like this: https://links.l3m.in/en/ https://links.l3m.in/en/ and the search barely work (because no tags nor description is not helping). The project seems cool btw!
  - kal247 2y ago
    I do something similar with interactive fuzzy search (CLI), and the search experience is quite good for me, even with limited tagging. Links contain a lot a useful information...
    - sodimel 2y ago
      Yeah, if the search is not about something too niche I can find results using the search feature of my share links instance. Here's a recent example; I searched for "search engine", and found the article I wanted to share ("A look at search engines with their own indexes" by seirdy).
bsnnkv 2y ago
You're nearly there my friend: bookmarks should be centered around content and not around links.[1] I've written a lot about this, and I got so annoyed with bookmarking and highlighting services getting it so frustratingly wrong[2] that I wrote my own solution from the ground up in 2020[3], and I have never looked back to Pinboard, Instapaper or Readwise. It's honestly not that hard once you get the mental model and if you aren't interested in using a service you can easily build something that suits your own needs over a few weekends. [1]: Links are definitely important metadata though! [2]: https://lgug2z.com/articles/the-bookmarking-data-model-is-wrong-for-highlighting/ https://lgug2z.com/articles/the-bookmarking-data-model-is-wr... [3]: https://notado.app https://notado.app
Groxx 2y ago
Yeah, I feel like what I really want is something like this, but also it saves the whole page and indexes it and that's the first set of results when I type into my address bar. Ideally self-host-able. I kinda enjoy organizing my bookmarks at times, but I mostly do that so I can find things... which I remember from content, not my organization, so I know it's mostly pointless to organize (for me). You can get some of that in various combinations, but I haven't seen all of it.
- jweatherby 2y ago
  See my comment above, but maybe this tool, https://showboard.ca https://showboard.ca, that does most of what you're looking for. Except the address bar auto-complete, that would be next level.
jweatherby 2y ago
I built a tool, https://showboard.ca https://showboard.ca, that does most of what you're looking for. It helps visualize and organize bookmarks into boards, which you can then share with others. It also scrapes the contents of the links, which is then searchable. You can see an example of it in action here: - https://showboard.ca/boards/67-engineering-leadership https://showboard.ca/boards/67-engineering-leadership - https://showboard.ca/boards/15-recipes https://showboard.ca/boards/15-recipes Maybe this can help?
zeagle 2y ago
I self host wallabag and use the wallabagger extension on my machines. Works well and doesn't cost me anything on top of what I already have.
FireInsight 2y ago
https://mymind.com/ https://mymind.com/ is based on AI analysis of page content, or something like that. I've never been able to use their product because they require a Google or Apple account. https://raindrop.io/ https://raindrop.io/ apparently also has full-text search for page contents as a paid feature. I'm on the free tier and haven't tried it either.
FireInsight 2y ago
My main problem is similar: - I want tags in my bookmarks. - Firefox no logger supports tagged bookmarks. - -> I need to use a third-party service (Raindrop) for bookmarking. - Common web searches in the Firefox address bar do not search my bookmarks at the same time, as they would normally. I need to directly use Raindrop to search specifically from my bookmarks. - -> I might save useful things but forget about them entirely, and end up searching for them again.
- JoshTriplett 2y ago
  > - Firefox no logger supports tagged bookmarks. How so? You can still set tags on bookmarks, and those tags get matched by text you type in the address bar to determine what bookmarks to show you. > Common web searches in the Firefox address bar do not search my bookmarks at the same time, as they would normally. Yeah, that's something I would love Firefox to add: a local search index for full-content search of every page in my bookmarks and history, based on my cache.
  - FireInsight 2y ago
    Oh, I'm sorry, I mixed it up. Firefox no longer supports bookmarks with descriptions, which I would also like to have. Firefox on desktop has tags, but the mobile version doesn't.

dcsan 2y ago

A friend is building service called memxi that scrapes thr page you bookmark and then gives u a rag like way to look up things later with LLM fuzzy search

brunoarueira 2y ago

I'd the same problem and thinking a little bit, maybe a browser extension integrated with LLMs and services like betula?

Zambyte 2y ago

I solve this by saving links in Org Roam with links to other notes for related topics. Then when I want to find things, I can look at the backlinks for some topic note. There are lots of similar tools that also support this flow; basically anything that supports note backlinks (Obsidian, Joplin, Logseq, etc.). I don't ever really use browser bookmarks, because I never found myself actually doing anything but saving links (I never referred to them later). I actually find and navigate to links I save in my notes all the time though.

ww520 2y ago

Same problem here. I have thousands of bookmarks and have no quick way to find out what I have. The bookmarks just get lost in the nested folders. I built a browser extension for myself to show all the bookmarks on one page, making it easy to access them and to search them. I called it One Page Favorites. Basically all my bookmarks/favorites on one page. Edit: Also it’s the first time for me to try to do an extension for all three browsers at the same time, Chrome, Edge, and Firefox.

joshu 2y ago
this is literally why i invented tagging
- ww520 2y ago
  Tags are good. Does the browsers have a standard way to access them? I know Firefox has something. Not sure about Chrome/Edge/Safari. I know some people just annotate the title with tags during bookmarking, like [tag1 tag2]. Searching would definitely hit on those.
kseistrup 2y ago
Betula bookmarks can be tagged, so to the extend you can add relevant tags, you should be able to find bookmarks you are looking for.
sodimel 2y ago
I had the same problem for my bookmarks, but I (kinda) answered it using 2 ways: Random link (when you don't know what to search but want to visit a (curated) cool link), and search (search in title, link, tags, description). On the paper it works great, if only you can tags those links and write a comprehensive description using keywords you'll remember. But in real life, it's something like this: https://links.l3m.in/en/ https://links.l3m.in/en/ and the search barely work (because no tags nor description is not helping). The project seems cool btw!
- kal247 2y ago
  I do something similar with interactive fuzzy search (CLI), and the search experience is quite good for me, even with limited tagging. Links contain a lot a useful information...
  - sodimel 2y ago
    Yeah, if the search is not about something too niche I can find results using the search feature of my share links instance. Here's a recent example; I searched for "search engine", and found the article I wanted to share ("A look at search engines with their own indexes" by seirdy).

bsnnkv 2y ago

You're nearly there my friend: bookmarks should be centered around content and not around links.[1] I've written a lot about this, and I got so annoyed with bookmarking and highlighting services getting it so frustratingly wrong[2] that I wrote my own solution from the ground up in 2020[3], and I have never looked back to Pinboard, Instapaper or Readwise. It's honestly not that hard once you get the mental model and if you aren't interested in using a service you can easily build something that suits your own needs over a few weekends. [1]: Links are definitely important metadata though! [2]: https://lgug2z.com/articles/the-bookmarking-data-model-is-wrong-for-highlighting/ https://lgug2z.com/articles/the-bookmarking-data-model-is-wr... [3]: https://notado.app https://notado.app

Groxx 2y ago

Yeah, I feel like what I really want is something like this, but also it saves the whole page and indexes it and that's the first set of results when I type into my address bar. Ideally self-host-able. I kinda enjoy organizing my bookmarks at times, but I mostly do that so I can find things... which I remember from content, not my organization, so I know it's mostly pointless to organize (for me). You can get some of that in various combinations, but I haven't seen all of it.

jweatherby 2y ago
See my comment above, but maybe this tool, https://showboard.ca https://showboard.ca, that does most of what you're looking for. Except the address bar auto-complete, that would be next level.

jweatherby 2y ago

I built a tool, https://showboard.ca https://showboard.ca, that does most of what you're looking for. It helps visualize and organize bookmarks into boards, which you can then share with others. It also scrapes the contents of the links, which is then searchable. You can see an example of it in action here: - https://showboard.ca/boards/67-engineering-leadership https://showboard.ca/boards/67-engineering-leadership - https://showboard.ca/boards/15-recipes https://showboard.ca/boards/15-recipes Maybe this can help?

zeagle 2y ago

I self host wallabag and use the wallabagger extension on my machines. Works well and doesn't cost me anything on top of what I already have.

FireInsight 2y ago

https://mymind.com/ https://mymind.com/ is based on AI analysis of page content, or something like that. I've never been able to use their product because they require a Google or Apple account. https://raindrop.io/ https://raindrop.io/ apparently also has full-text search for page contents as a paid feature. I'm on the free tier and haven't tried it either.

FireInsight 2y ago

My main problem is similar: - I want tags in my bookmarks. - Firefox no logger supports tagged bookmarks. - -> I need to use a third-party service (Raindrop) for bookmarking. - Common web searches in the Firefox address bar do not search my bookmarks at the same time, as they would normally. I need to directly use Raindrop to search specifically from my bookmarks. - -> I might save useful things but forget about them entirely, and end up searching for them again.

JoshTriplett 2y ago
> - Firefox no logger supports tagged bookmarks. How so? You can still set tags on bookmarks, and those tags get matched by text you type in the address bar to determine what bookmarks to show you. > Common web searches in the Firefox address bar do not search my bookmarks at the same time, as they would normally. Yeah, that's something I would love Firefox to add: a local search index for full-content search of every page in my bookmarks and history, based on my cache.
- FireInsight 2y ago
  Oh, I'm sorry, I mixed it up. Firefox no longer supports bookmarks with descriptions, which I would also like to have. Firefox on desktop has tags, but the mobile version doesn't.