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I can't help feeling that our collective brain is being gently massaged into accepting a lower standard of living as the new normal in the future. every single

I can't help feeling that our collective brain is being gently massaged into accepting a lower standard of living as the new normal in the future. every single year, young global leaders fly their private jets to their cool kids clubhouse and decide how should we, unwashed masses, live our lives. they tell us to stop eating meat, to stop driving cars, to stop owning things, to stop having children. and the political leanings of the useful idiots who take their side are beyond ironic to me.

Foreignborn 2y ago
Hypocrisy sucks, yes. Corps and states are more to blame than individuals, yes. However, your conclusions are strange to me. Some of these seem out of left field (eg “stop having children?” IMO people are lamenting not being able to afford children and the state wants more kids) Others are misguided. For things like “stop driving”, the arguments are usually positing that everyone needs to pay for the externalities that have long been subsidized. For example, car centric urban planning. We need to factor in all the other negative aspects driving cars brings. Additionally, car centric urban planning limits other lifestyles. I’m gonna ignore the idiot comment and assume the best. Good luck to you.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  No corps and states here. The article is all about individuals, almost all are academics: - Tim Jackson is a professor who seems to have spent his life in NGOs, think tanks and getting degrees of various kinds. - "Kate Soper teaches philosophy and cultural theory at the University of North London" - "Giorgos Kallis is a citizen of Greece, professor at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, publisher of over 50 peer-reviewed journal articles, and an active member of the group Research & Degrowth" - Anitra Nelson is "an activist-scholar affiliated with the Informal Urbanism Research Hub (InfUr-) at the University of Melbourne, Australia." - "Jason Edward Hickel (born 1982) is an anthropologist and professor at the Autonomous University of Barcelona" - "Kohei Saito, a 37-year-old Japanese Marxist philosopher has emerged as the movement’s public face." [Saito is an associate professor at the University of Tokyo] The only one that isn't an academic is Liegey. The quickest way to give these people a less hypocritical understanding of economics would be to give them exactly what they ask for, and apply some degrowth to their grant funding.
  - Foreignborn 2y ago
    I read the article, but was replying to parent comment about "young global leaders fly their private jets..." I'm going to bet my bottom dollar none of those featured in the article are flying private, nor have any political ability to limit the parent commenter in any way. Hence, not who they I think they were talking about.
jc6 2y ago
Their lifestyles are safe since they have convinced everyone organizing against them is what nutjobs and communists do.
- rado 2y ago
  Which is a genius strategy and works like clockwork
hierophantic 2y ago
You need to use Occam's Razor more. It it has been at least 20 years since anyone with a brain went into journalism and the results are painfully obvious. There is no grand conspiracy. The news is just shit.
- mistermann 2y ago
  It is not possible for you to know that there is no conspiracy, and Occam's Razor is for making fast predictions, not discerning truth (it is unreal how many smart people do not know this). Our education system is shit, and I find it very hard to believe that very specific things being skipped is not intentional.
- 123yawaworht456 2y ago
  I'm willing to use Occam's Razor when it comes to xitter/reddit/tumblr nobodies spouting schizo shit, but media outlets have editors and senior editors, who dictate the agenda of the publication, approve/disapprove what gets published, and most importantly - report directly to the owners. there is no 'conspiracy' because it is publicly known and easily verifiable that over 50% of mass media is owned by a handful of multinational corporations and oligarchs. the tunes they all sing are so remarkably similar, it's impossible not to recognize the persistent patterns after you listen for a while.
hatenberg 2y ago
"young global leaders" Trump, XI, Putin, Kishida, Modi, Joko Widodo, Han Duck-soo, Ali Khamenei, Scholz Are all young, hip polluting global leaders. You Sir, have become unable to accept even the most basic, easy to validate facts (unless you want to argue that somehow the handful of countries with leaders under 60 are contributing more to pollution by having their politians fly to summits)? It's aging boomers who have been indoctrinated on infinite growth beating the laws of thermodynamics and finite resources that are dooming us. Co2 Pollution 2024 Top List China 12667.43 United States 4853.78 India 2693.03 Russia 1909.04 Japan 1082.65 Indonesia 692.24 Iran 686.42 Germany 673.6 South Korea 635.5 Saudi Arabia 607.91
sMarsIntruder 2y ago
you got downvoted for telling the truth: the reality is that the current agenda sucks.
silverquiet 2y ago
If we continue to increase carbon emissions, we will destabilize the Earth climate system that human civilization relies upon, and it will come to an end. At that point I suspect that living standards will be quite low indeed. I wouldn't worry though - I suspect your side has already "won" and we are on an unstoppable path of doom as is.
- 123yawaworht456 2y ago
  it would really help if all the austerity measures required to avoid that certain doom weren't preached upon us by the oligarchs and their eunuch servitors, who will obviously get to keep their current lifestyle while the rest of us own nothing, eat the bugs and live in the pods.
  - silverquiet 2y ago
    Personally, I’m much happier living my life according to my own values and not getting too wrapped around the hypocrisy of others. That said, I’d be quite alright with massively progressive taxes on the rich and quite high capital gains taxes to boot.

Foreignborn 2y ago

Hypocrisy sucks, yes. Corps and states are more to blame than individuals, yes. However, your conclusions are strange to me. Some of these seem out of left field (eg “stop having children?” IMO people are lamenting not being able to afford children and the state wants more kids) Others are misguided. For things like “stop driving”, the arguments are usually positing that everyone needs to pay for the externalities that have long been subsidized. For example, car centric urban planning. We need to factor in all the other negative aspects driving cars brings. Additionally, car centric urban planning limits other lifestyles. I’m gonna ignore the idiot comment and assume the best. Good luck to you.

mike_hearn 2y ago
No corps and states here. The article is all about individuals, almost all are academics: - Tim Jackson is a professor who seems to have spent his life in NGOs, think tanks and getting degrees of various kinds. - "Kate Soper teaches philosophy and cultural theory at the University of North London" - "Giorgos Kallis is a citizen of Greece, professor at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, publisher of over 50 peer-reviewed journal articles, and an active member of the group Research & Degrowth" - Anitra Nelson is "an activist-scholar affiliated with the Informal Urbanism Research Hub (InfUr-) at the University of Melbourne, Australia." - "Jason Edward Hickel (born 1982) is an anthropologist and professor at the Autonomous University of Barcelona" - "Kohei Saito, a 37-year-old Japanese Marxist philosopher has emerged as the movement’s public face." [Saito is an associate professor at the University of Tokyo] The only one that isn't an academic is Liegey. The quickest way to give these people a less hypocritical understanding of economics would be to give them exactly what they ask for, and apply some degrowth to their grant funding.
- Foreignborn 2y ago
  I read the article, but was replying to parent comment about "young global leaders fly their private jets..." I'm going to bet my bottom dollar none of those featured in the article are flying private, nor have any political ability to limit the parent commenter in any way. Hence, not who they I think they were talking about.

jc6 2y ago

Their lifestyles are safe since they have convinced everyone organizing against them is what nutjobs and communists do.

rado 2y ago
Which is a genius strategy and works like clockwork

hierophantic 2y ago

You need to use Occam's Razor more. It it has been at least 20 years since anyone with a brain went into journalism and the results are painfully obvious. There is no grand conspiracy. The news is just shit.

mistermann 2y ago
It is not possible for you to know that there is no conspiracy, and Occam's Razor is for making fast predictions, not discerning truth (it is unreal how many smart people do not know this). Our education system is shit, and I find it very hard to believe that very specific things being skipped is not intentional.
123yawaworht456 2y ago
I'm willing to use Occam's Razor when it comes to xitter/reddit/tumblr nobodies spouting schizo shit, but media outlets have editors and senior editors, who dictate the agenda of the publication, approve/disapprove what gets published, and most importantly - report directly to the owners. there is no 'conspiracy' because it is publicly known and easily verifiable that over 50% of mass media is owned by a handful of multinational corporations and oligarchs. the tunes they all sing are so remarkably similar, it's impossible not to recognize the persistent patterns after you listen for a while.

hatenberg 2y ago

"young global leaders" Trump, XI, Putin, Kishida, Modi, Joko Widodo, Han Duck-soo, Ali Khamenei, Scholz Are all young, hip polluting global leaders. You Sir, have become unable to accept even the most basic, easy to validate facts (unless you want to argue that somehow the handful of countries with leaders under 60 are contributing more to pollution by having their politians fly to summits)? It's aging boomers who have been indoctrinated on infinite growth beating the laws of thermodynamics and finite resources that are dooming us. Co2 Pollution 2024 Top List China 12667.43 United States 4853.78 India 2693.03 Russia 1909.04 Japan 1082.65 Indonesia 692.24 Iran 686.42 Germany 673.6 South Korea 635.5 Saudi Arabia 607.91

sMarsIntruder 2y ago

you got downvoted for telling the truth: the reality is that the current agenda sucks.

silverquiet 2y ago

If we continue to increase carbon emissions, we will destabilize the Earth climate system that human civilization relies upon, and it will come to an end. At that point I suspect that living standards will be quite low indeed. I wouldn't worry though - I suspect your side has already "won" and we are on an unstoppable path of doom as is.

123yawaworht456 2y ago
it would really help if all the austerity measures required to avoid that certain doom weren't preached upon us by the oligarchs and their eunuch servitors, who will obviously get to keep their current lifestyle while the rest of us own nothing, eat the bugs and live in the pods.
- silverquiet 2y ago
  Personally, I’m much happier living my life according to my own values and not getting too wrapped around the hypocrisy of others. That said, I’d be quite alright with massively progressive taxes on the rich and quite high capital gains taxes to boot.