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Nothing of the sort was glossed over, I'm not sure how you failed to read so spectacularly. Quotes from the article: > Formoterol is a medication I take for as
by flaminHotSpeedo 2y ago
Nothing of the sort was glossed over, I'm not sure how you failed to read so spectacularly. Quotes from the article:
> Formoterol is a medication I take for asthma. I have been taking it for years well below the anti-doping threshold
> I refused the use of a nebuliser for asthma when I was so unwell I couldn’t walk upstairs because I knew I would need to apply for a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption).
It sounds like you skimmed over the part above at least, but misread it to mean the opposite
> My sample tested positive for 2.9ng/ml of formoterol. Formoterol is a medication I take as part of an inhaler called Symbicort. I have been taking this medication since summer 2020. It is listed by WADA as a threshold substance, meaning that it is allowed to be present in urine up to a concentration of 40ng/ml on the basis that it was likely the result of permitted therapeutic use.
> Although the WADA rules state that formoterol is allowed up to 40ng/ml [30], the problem is that the WADA rules also state in conjunction with a diuretic that ANY LEVEL of formoterol is considered an AAF [31].
And for extra credit, if you were to do one web search (or citation check) worth of "research" you can corroborate the last bit with info direct from WADA:
> Inhaled formoterol is permitted to a maximum delivered dose of 54 micrograms over
24 hours. The presence in urine of formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is presumed not
to be a therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse
Analytical Finding unless the Athlete proves, through a controlled pharmacokinetic
study, that the abnormal result was the consequence of the use of no greater than 54
micrograms delivered over 24 hours. If a dosage in excess of 54 micrograms over 24
hours is required by the athlete, then a TUE must be requested
- searealist 2y agoDo you really believe a world-class athlete has such dehabilitating asthma?
- scott_w 2y agoIt’s irrelevant to the story. She stayed under the limit allowed by UKAD.
- searealist 2y agoShe did not because she tested positive for a diuretic. > Diuretics affect the way the body metabolizes and excretes beta-2 agonists. If you are on a diuretic medication (or on any other substance in the S5 category of the Prohibited List) for any reason and you are using an inhaler that contains salbutamol (albuterol) or formoterol, then you may need a TUE. Please see the TUE section below.
- scott_w 2y agoYou’re changing the subject now. The TUE would be for the asthma medication, not the diuretic. She was below the limit for asthma medication, so didn’t need a TUE. Edit: if you’re about to talk about how it affected the ruling for the asthma medication, then you’re just repeating the article and should just read that instead of arguing in the comments.
- searealist 2y agoIt's not arbitrary. Diuretics mask the asthma (ie, steroid) readings.
- scott_w 2y agoUKAD accepted that the amount was far below any effective levels. The article makes this crystal clear. It also makes crystal clear that this was contamination, as Lizzy took a hair test to show she couldn’t have taken it deliberately. The reason why is actually in the article but I’m sick of just typing it out for you when you can stop being lazy and read the thing yourself.
- searealist 2y agoShe is clearly cheating (along with TONS of others) with the asthma medication. At this point, I don't believe anything else she says.
- sethherr 2y agoA lot of world class endurance athletes have asthma. See here: > is suggestive that years of endurance training may be a contributory cause. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22228581/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22228581/
- searealist 2y agoIt's an open secret that the diagnosis is a sham because it's performance-enhancing.
- sethherr 2y agoThat's a possibility - but the pubmed piece I linked also includes this quote: > Athletes with asthma/AHR have consistently outperformed their peers, which research suggests is not due to their treatment enhancing sports performance. Anecdotally, when I lived in Chicago and rode outside in cold air I had asthma like symptoms (and I didn't ride nearly as frequently as olympians do) - which lines up with this quote, also from my original link: > Inspiring polluted or cold air is considered a significant aetiological factor in some but not all sports. I think it's possible that it's not just a sham.