4 ms·

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna Huh, I did not know that this image was supposed to be sexually suggestive.

sshine 2y ago
It’s cropped from a Playboy photoshoot. I didn’t think it was sexual to that degree. Surely knowing it’s a cropped nude was part of the allure of reusing it. Lena Forsén explicitly prefers to retire the picture, so this should be reason enough.
- friend_and_foe 2y ago
  This to me is the only argument about this image that stands to any scrutiny. I happen to believe, though, that any and all information you release to the public is de facto no longer under anyone's control. This is the natural state of things and cannot be stopped, so a global optimum can only be reached in acknowledging this fact. Instead we create legal and bureaucratic fictions to try to manage and eliminate it, which only serves to disrupt and not to protect at all. I view the status quo on this (from this image to copyright) as counterproductive.
  - sshine 2y ago
    As far as I understand, she is not fighting a legal battle to outlaw the photograph. An organisation of intellectuals, such as the IEEE, can simply honour a request. The diversity and inclusion argument: this tradition bears some similarity to locker room nudes, which don’t encourage equal participation between genders. The flipped scenario of posting a cropped Hasselhoff nude is not symmetrical. It sexualises the basic conversation about image algorithms, which is somewhat (but not entirely) besides the point. It made better sense when it was a closed group of mostly men.
- johnea 2y ago
  Actually, through the years she was quite ambivalent on the image's use, and in fact expressed feeling a certain amount of pride. She was not coerrced into the photoshoot that produced the image in any way. It was only when others complained about the image, that she changed her support since it seemed to be offending some people. Sadly, wokeness really represents a major setback in sexual freedom and escape from sexual repression. This is coming from someone who "identifies" as far left. wokeness is not a progressive or leftist position, but a judgement against other's choices, similar to wing-nut positions.

sshine 2y ago

It’s cropped from a Playboy photoshoot. I didn’t think it was sexual to that degree. Surely knowing it’s a cropped nude was part of the allure of reusing it. Lena Forsén explicitly prefers to retire the picture, so this should be reason enough.

friend_and_foe 2y ago
This to me is the only argument about this image that stands to any scrutiny. I happen to believe, though, that any and all information you release to the public is de facto no longer under anyone's control. This is the natural state of things and cannot be stopped, so a global optimum can only be reached in acknowledging this fact. Instead we create legal and bureaucratic fictions to try to manage and eliminate it, which only serves to disrupt and not to protect at all. I view the status quo on this (from this image to copyright) as counterproductive.
- sshine 2y ago
  As far as I understand, she is not fighting a legal battle to outlaw the photograph. An organisation of intellectuals, such as the IEEE, can simply honour a request. The diversity and inclusion argument: this tradition bears some similarity to locker room nudes, which don’t encourage equal participation between genders. The flipped scenario of posting a cropped Hasselhoff nude is not symmetrical. It sexualises the basic conversation about image algorithms, which is somewhat (but not entirely) besides the point. It made better sense when it was a closed group of mostly men.
johnea 2y ago
Actually, through the years she was quite ambivalent on the image's use, and in fact expressed feeling a certain amount of pride. She was not coerrced into the photoshoot that produced the image in any way. It was only when others complained about the image, that she changed her support since it seemed to be offending some people. Sadly, wokeness really represents a major setback in sexual freedom and escape from sexual repression. This is coming from someone who "identifies" as far left. wokeness is not a progressive or leftist position, but a judgement against other's choices, similar to wing-nut positions.