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Starting? Remember the time they silently installed an extension written for a TV network? The project manager for it used to work in the advertising industry.

Starting? Remember the time they silently installed an extension written for a TV network? The project manager for it used to work in the advertising industry. When the ticket was filed in Bugzilla, she quickly set it to be private to try and hide it. Another mozilla employee put it back to public, and then the ticket was set such that not even employees could see it by Mozilla executive leadership. How about them ramming Pocket down everyone's throats? Or the 2022 "partnership" with Facebook over an advertising a "privacy preserving" advertising standard? How about the CEO's astronomical pay increases while market share sank? How about the fact that they now have a billion dollars in assets, half of that in cash? And they slashed their software development budget a year or two ago? And paid someone ~350,000+ to write an "AI and racial justice" report? https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... And then there's the partnership with an identity protection service (why the fuck is a browser company getting involved in that!?) whose CEO was running people-search network sites https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/03/mozilla-drops-onerep-after-ceo-admits-to-running-people-search-networks/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/03/mozilla-drops-onerep-aft...

8f2ab37a-ed6c 2y ago
Any alternatives to Firefox worth exploring where users are the customers and you can pay for the product instead of being sold as one?
- beretguy 2y ago
  WaterFox
- lawn 2y ago
  Kagi has their own browser called Orion, their whole business model (including search) is that you pay for it instead of you being sold. Unfortunately, it's iOS only and based on WebKit. There's definitely an opportunity here, maybe using Servo as the browser engine.
  - rpozarickij 2y ago
    > it's iOS only It's available on macOS as well: https://kagi.com/orion/#download_sec https://kagi.com/orion/#download_sec
    - lawn 2y ago
      Sorry, should've said Apple only.
- deely3 2y ago
  I have good expirience with Vivaldi. Yes, Chromium based, but very-very customizable, a bit slower than other browser, again because of customizations, but in general it looks like they believe that user know what he/she is doing.
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    An independent browser engine is top reason I use Firefox. Anything based on Webkit/Blink is just reinforcing the monoculture and further locking out alternatives.
    - deely3 2y ago
      I don't know honestly. I don't like what Mozilla is doing with Firefox, and I'm not sure that we should support it.
      - paulryanrogers 2y ago
        Clearly we have different priorities and I've failed to convince you. Which is fine. Hopefully enough folks do prioritize browser engine diversity, so we aren't stuck with no significant alternative.
        deely3 2y ago
        > Clearly we have different priorities and I've failed to convince you. Im not sure that we should support one "not the best" company just because other company definitely worse.
        paulryanrogers 2y ago
        If you feel that strongly, there are other non-Webkit/Blink options besides Firefox.
- infotapeworm 2y ago
  LibreWolf, Mullvad Browser, Brave, Chromium

8f2ab37a-ed6c 2y ago

Any alternatives to Firefox worth exploring where users are the customers and you can pay for the product instead of being sold as one?

beretguy 2y ago
WaterFox
lawn 2y ago
Kagi has their own browser called Orion, their whole business model (including search) is that you pay for it instead of you being sold. Unfortunately, it's iOS only and based on WebKit. There's definitely an opportunity here, maybe using Servo as the browser engine.
- rpozarickij 2y ago
  > it's iOS only It's available on macOS as well: https://kagi.com/orion/#download_sec https://kagi.com/orion/#download_sec
  - lawn 2y ago
    Sorry, should've said Apple only.
deely3 2y ago
I have good expirience with Vivaldi. Yes, Chromium based, but very-very customizable, a bit slower than other browser, again because of customizations, but in general it looks like they believe that user know what he/she is doing.
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  An independent browser engine is top reason I use Firefox. Anything based on Webkit/Blink is just reinforcing the monoculture and further locking out alternatives.
  - deely3 2y ago
    I don't know honestly. I don't like what Mozilla is doing with Firefox, and I'm not sure that we should support it.
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      Clearly we have different priorities and I've failed to convince you. Which is fine. Hopefully enough folks do prioritize browser engine diversity, so we aren't stuck with no significant alternative.
      - deely3 2y ago
        > Clearly we have different priorities and I've failed to convince you. Im not sure that we should support one "not the best" company just because other company definitely worse.
        paulryanrogers 2y ago
        If you feel that strongly, there are other non-Webkit/Blink options besides Firefox.
infotapeworm 2y ago
LibreWolf, Mullvad Browser, Brave, Chromium