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Does it take a bad person to be a good athlete?

3 points by herbertl 2y ago

082349872349872 2y ago
My experience of good (international+) jocks is that they may be "poor" neighbours yet are still far from being bad people.
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  Too late to reiterate https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=082349872349872%20kind%20peole&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Esp. wrt. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24762360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24762360 there's a substantial overlap between geek and jock cultures that I believe arises because both have a much more substantial, objective, externally verifiable, component than typical human endeavours.
    - defrost 2y ago
      It's all about being ready to carpe diem https://youtu.be/jagh3l5lMvY?t=181 https://youtu.be/jagh3l5lMvY?t=181
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        a hoopy frood indeed: https://www.goldcentralvictoria.com.au/trending/entertainment/steven-bradbury-receives-a-bravery-medal-for-doing-a-bradbury-again/ https://www.goldcentralvictoria.com.au/trending/entertainmen...
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      - vinnyvichy 2y ago
        https://youtube.com/shorts/oOdeWsxAIjQ https://youtube.com/shorts/oOdeWsxAIjQ (Long course) I can see an argument for ready2carpe being pride, but it's certainly no (heavenly) virtue.
        082349872349872 2y ago
        Now that is amazing: take advantage of the periodicity of the peloton. I take it skate-sucking has roughly the same aerodynamic advantages that wheel-sucking does with bikes? I'll argue for it being (Aristotelian) Prudence. (maybe with a corresponding deficit of Justice, but hey, if you're strong enough to make the single lap "negative phase" breakaway without getting reeled in, why not?) Sun Wukong (孙悟空), the Monkey King, would've done just the same... compare "most beautiful action": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40425702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40425702 EDIT: the other skaters should've just sped up and left her hanging; by playing the phase game themselves they could've forced her to fight the wind alone while they were still packed up — and that, due to the circular nature of the track, over an arbitrary distance.
        vinnyvichy 2y ago
        Ahh right https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/106399/in-aristotelian-virtue-ethics-what-is-the-virtue-vice-vice-pattern-for-obtusene https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/106399/in-ari... (Bonus: a quote of the valiant Schwabian)
        082349872349872 2y ago
        Now I've got a reread of Aristotle (was it NE?) queued up. My working model of his virtues since the XX has been a cardinal one: Courage ↑ Justice←♦→Prudence ↓ Temperance Where Courage helps us to take risks when they are worthwhile, and Temperance to avoid them when they would be dangerous, while Prudence helps us to act in our own interests, and Justice to act in everyone's interests. (Courage and Temperance are balanced in opposition when a risk is on the efficient frontier; Prudence and Justice when an action is clearly beneficial, but requires either sacrificing personal/ingroup interest to collective, or vice versa) But if much younger me had somehow come up with an interpretation which I can no longer justify when revisiting the text: well, it wouldn't be the first time! (then again, I think it is possible to assign vices to all the corners of the diagram above: for example, "Vigilantism" could be top left.)
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Koholet: The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong... Galois: ...so publish avant que you would perish Runyon: ...but that's the way to bet Bradbury: ...so never say die* if you're old and sly Bonaparte: ...alors a whiff of grape may be called for in order to reinforce existing power differentials Machiavelli: ...and that's how states are (qualitatively) established Dirac: ...and new states arise in (quantitative) proportion to their dot product with the Hamiltonian * he paid his dues of tears, sweat, and blood: https://stevenbradbury.com.au/ohs-risk-management-and-teamwork/ https://stevenbradbury.com.au/ohs-risk-management-and-teamwo... ; luckily Bradbury had better access to trauma care than Galois.

3 points by herbertl 2y ago

My experience of good (international+) jocks is that they may be "poor" neighbours yet are still far from being bad people.

vinnyvichy 2y ago
Too late to reiterate https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=082349872349872%20kind%20peole&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Esp. wrt. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24762360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24762360 there's a substantial overlap between geek and jock cultures that I believe arises because both have a much more substantial, objective, externally verifiable, component than typical human endeavours.
  - defrost 2y ago
    It's all about being ready to carpe diem https://youtu.be/jagh3l5lMvY?t=181 https://youtu.be/jagh3l5lMvY?t=181
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      a hoopy frood indeed: https://www.goldcentralvictoria.com.au/trending/entertainment/steven-bradbury-receives-a-bravery-medal-for-doing-a-bradbury-again/ https://www.goldcentralvictoria.com.au/trending/entertainmen...
      - deleted 2y ago
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    - vinnyvichy 2y ago
      https://youtube.com/shorts/oOdeWsxAIjQ https://youtube.com/shorts/oOdeWsxAIjQ (Long course) I can see an argument for ready2carpe being pride, but it's certainly no (heavenly) virtue.
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Now that is amazing: take advantage of the periodicity of the peloton. I take it skate-sucking has roughly the same aerodynamic advantages that wheel-sucking does with bikes? I'll argue for it being (Aristotelian) Prudence. (maybe with a corresponding deficit of Justice, but hey, if you're strong enough to make the single lap "negative phase" breakaway without getting reeled in, why not?) Sun Wukong (孙悟空), the Monkey King, would've done just the same... compare "most beautiful action": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40425702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40425702 EDIT: the other skaters should've just sped up and left her hanging; by playing the phase game themselves they could've forced her to fight the wind alone while they were still packed up — and that, due to the circular nature of the track, over an arbitrary distance.
        vinnyvichy 2y ago
        Ahh right https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/106399/in-aristotelian-virtue-ethics-what-is-the-virtue-vice-vice-pattern-for-obtusene https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/106399/in-ari... (Bonus: a quote of the valiant Schwabian)
        082349872349872 2y ago
        Now I've got a reread of Aristotle (was it NE?) queued up. My working model of his virtues since the XX has been a cardinal one: Courage ↑ Justice←♦→Prudence ↓ Temperance Where Courage helps us to take risks when they are worthwhile, and Temperance to avoid them when they would be dangerous, while Prudence helps us to act in our own interests, and Justice to act in everyone's interests. (Courage and Temperance are balanced in opposition when a risk is on the efficient frontier; Prudence and Justice when an action is clearly beneficial, but requires either sacrificing personal/ingroup interest to collective, or vice versa) But if much younger me had somehow come up with an interpretation which I can no longer justify when revisiting the text: well, it wouldn't be the first time! (then again, I think it is possible to assign vices to all the corners of the diagram above: for example, "Vigilantism" could be top left.)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Koholet: The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong... Galois: ...so publish avant que you would perish Runyon: ...but that's the way to bet Bradbury: ...so never say die* if you're old and sly Bonaparte: ...alors a whiff of grape may be called for in order to reinforce existing power differentials Machiavelli: ...and that's how states are (qualitatively) established Dirac: ...and new states arise in (quantitative) proportion to their dot product with the Hamiltonian * he paid his dues of tears, sweat, and blood: https://stevenbradbury.com.au/ohs-risk-management-and-teamwork/ https://stevenbradbury.com.au/ohs-risk-management-and-teamwo... ; luckily Bradbury had better access to trauma care than Galois.