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I hope whoever penned this quote was proud of themselves, it still carries a provocative punch after 2000 years: ‘Would you in your refusal to revoke this law’

I hope whoever penned this quote was proud of themselves, it still carries a provocative punch after 2000 years: ‘Would you in your refusal to revoke this law’, the question was put to the Senate, ‘allow the trappings of your own horse to be more splendid than the dress of your wife?’

Dalewyn 2y ago
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- lazide 2y ago
  Clearly you’ve never stood behind or near a barn sour (or just plain cranky) horse. They will crush your feet, or even kick you in the head. I was in the mountains and had a mare roll over and try to pin me to a boulder when I was on her - it was 5am and cold + icy, and she clearly didn’t like that. Unfortunately for her, I grew up around a barn sour horse and saw it coming. Several times he tried to scrape me off against trees at full gallop. People are more dangerous just because they can manipulate others to kill/destroy you, and due to opposable thumbs can use weapons and construct machines/traps to kill you. Physically they’re far weaker and less capable than a horse. A horse can consistently kill a full grown man with a single well aimed kick to the head. I’ve also been threatened with knives 3 times, and shot at once, by humans - but near as I can tell, they weren’t serious about it. They just wanted the reaction. Unlike those horses. If horses (or cats for that matter) had opposable thumbs or speech, the sky would be the limit.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  > A horse will never betray you I'm guessing you don't have much personal experience with horses.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Animals sans humans are honest, so there are no betrayals. If that horse wants to wrong me, he will make it clear he wants to wrong me. That might be a wrong, but it's not a betrayal.
    - RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
      > Animals sans humans are honest, so there are no betrayals. Ask anybody who has grown up on a farm if any animal is honest. Animals can and do try to fool you.
      - Dalewyn 2y ago
        Animals sans humans are honest about fooling you, too. Yes, I appreciate that that sounded very hypocritical but I implore you to give it deeper thought. I hate dealing with humans because 99.999% of them are two-faced or more to varying degrees, animals sans humans are one-faced and thus honest to a fault including being honest about lying.
        qarl 2y ago
        When I put my dog outside in the morning, he'll pretend to poop so that I'll let him in sooner.
        crazygringo 2y ago
        > are honest about fooling you, too... including being honest about lying That doesn't make any sense. "He's a liar, but he's an honest liar." Huh?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Animals don't intend nor even attempt to deceive, unlike humans. They have a goal in mind, and they just do whatever presumably achieves that goal sooner. They are honest even if they seem like they are lying. Another way to look at it is a computer throwing out wrong information. The computer doesn't care about deception, it's just honestly doing what it was told with what it knows. Sometimes I wonder if the norm is the world doesn't lie and humans are the major exception. Humans are fucking assholes.
        crazygringo 2y ago
        > Animals don't intend nor even attempt to deceive, unlike humans. I mean, that's just factually wrong. Animals aren't different at all from humans in that regard. Since you don't seem to have much experience with animals, perhaps you might be interested in one tiny example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoo#Brood_parasitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoo#Brood_parasitism The reproductive strategy of cuckoos is based on deceit, quite fundamentally. And humans generally lie to achieve some goal -- humans don't generally tell major lies for no reason at all. And their minor lies often have an emotional reason behind them -- e.g. to avoid offense or avoid conflict or preserve their ego. All that being said, I'm sorry that you've had such terrible experience with other people. If you haven't already, I would definitely suggest exploring talk therapy. It can help you both to figure out how to deal with people, as well as how to identify and find other people who are emotional supportive and beneficial, rather than people who drain and harm you.

Dalewyn 2y ago

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lazide 2y ago
Clearly you’ve never stood behind or near a barn sour (or just plain cranky) horse. They will crush your feet, or even kick you in the head. I was in the mountains and had a mare roll over and try to pin me to a boulder when I was on her - it was 5am and cold + icy, and she clearly didn’t like that. Unfortunately for her, I grew up around a barn sour horse and saw it coming. Several times he tried to scrape me off against trees at full gallop. People are more dangerous just because they can manipulate others to kill/destroy you, and due to opposable thumbs can use weapons and construct machines/traps to kill you. Physically they’re far weaker and less capable than a horse. A horse can consistently kill a full grown man with a single well aimed kick to the head. I’ve also been threatened with knives 3 times, and shot at once, by humans - but near as I can tell, they weren’t serious about it. They just wanted the reaction. Unlike those horses. If horses (or cats for that matter) had opposable thumbs or speech, the sky would be the limit.
crazygringo 2y ago
> A horse will never betray you I'm guessing you don't have much personal experience with horses.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Animals sans humans are honest, so there are no betrayals. If that horse wants to wrong me, he will make it clear he wants to wrong me. That might be a wrong, but it's not a betrayal.
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
    > Animals sans humans are honest, so there are no betrayals. Ask anybody who has grown up on a farm if any animal is honest. Animals can and do try to fool you.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      Animals sans humans are honest about fooling you, too. Yes, I appreciate that that sounded very hypocritical but I implore you to give it deeper thought. I hate dealing with humans because 99.999% of them are two-faced or more to varying degrees, animals sans humans are one-faced and thus honest to a fault including being honest about lying.
      - qarl 2y ago
        When I put my dog outside in the morning, he'll pretend to poop so that I'll let him in sooner.
      - crazygringo 2y ago
        > are honest about fooling you, too... including being honest about lying That doesn't make any sense. "He's a liar, but he's an honest liar." Huh?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Animals don't intend nor even attempt to deceive, unlike humans. They have a goal in mind, and they just do whatever presumably achieves that goal sooner. They are honest even if they seem like they are lying. Another way to look at it is a computer throwing out wrong information. The computer doesn't care about deception, it's just honestly doing what it was told with what it knows. Sometimes I wonder if the norm is the world doesn't lie and humans are the major exception. Humans are fucking assholes.
        crazygringo 2y ago
        > Animals don't intend nor even attempt to deceive, unlike humans. I mean, that's just factually wrong. Animals aren't different at all from humans in that regard. Since you don't seem to have much experience with animals, perhaps you might be interested in one tiny example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoo#Brood_parasitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoo#Brood_parasitism The reproductive strategy of cuckoos is based on deceit, quite fundamentally. And humans generally lie to achieve some goal -- humans don't generally tell major lies for no reason at all. And their minor lies often have an emotional reason behind them -- e.g. to avoid offense or avoid conflict or preserve their ego. All that being said, I'm sorry that you've had such terrible experience with other people. If you haven't already, I would definitely suggest exploring talk therapy. It can help you both to figure out how to deal with people, as well as how to identify and find other people who are emotional supportive and beneficial, rather than people who drain and harm you.