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This is not how that works my brother. The AI is already on my computer and the computers of millions of other people, it doesn't need to talk to the internet a

This is not how that works my brother. The AI is already on my computer and the computers of millions of other people, it doesn't need to talk to the internet and uses an entirely open source stack. The minimum system requirements are a gaming computer from the last decade.

throwaway290 2y ago
Nah mate you'll need to continuiusly acquire new data to stay updated, otherwise tomorrow a genius artist comes up and if your model can't imitate her style, what a sad day? If you have the resources to scrape the entire web and sanitize the data and fight the anti-AI arms race and retrain the model all the time and you do it alone just for yourself at home for the lulz then I guess knock yourself out, no one will mind. But a gaming computer from last decade alone probably won't cut it > entirely open source stack I heard of some tornado cash and wow using OSS for crime totally made it not a crime! > millions of other people Yeah sure my phone also has ML
- thot_experiment 2y ago
  Bruh, the idea that tornado cash and SD are somehow equivalent is laughable. The point is that the open source stack means that there's no point where you can force any of these fingerprinting things in. It's all already out in the open. It's just like HDCP, if I can see the video on my computer I can pirate it, the same goes for glaze and related approaches, fundamentally you are not going to be able to prevent someone from training on an image if a human can correctly interpret the image as the artist intended. Sure you may cause some extra steps, but those steps will quickly be automated away. The vast majority of the "theft" from artists in the form of LoRAs and finetunes is done by individuals and trivially propagated all over the internet. I can train a LoRA on a particular artist in about 6 hours using my old ass computer and a base model that's almost 2 years old plus 20 images scraped from wherever and achieve great results. Most of what gives the model the generic capability to create images doesn't need to be retrained, finetuning on styles is very cost effective. Though many of the advances in the capability of SD have nothing to do with training the model at all but rather advances in instrumentation and conditioning. Art is like 90% building on generic work that others have done before you and like 10% your own contribution if that. Everything is a remix. That is the the core truth that allows style transfer approaches to work even if the specific style is not represented in the training data, in most cases there's a blend of conditioning vectors that gets you pretty close. Maybe the future of art is "making art that's hard for the computer to recreate" which would be dope, but the stuff it's already good at? That's over and done with, that cat is not going back in the bag. And to be clear, the set of stuff it's good at is larger than the set of things that are in the training data because of advanced conditioning techniques like CoAdapters/IPAdapter/ControlNet/modified CLIP conditioning etc. And yes, millions of people, SD 1.5 had 4.5mil downloads in the last month alone.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    > The point is that the open source stack means that there's no point where you can force any of these fingerprinting things Promising jail is that point. Remember, open source is besides the point, whether what you do is against the law is what it's all about;) > training on an image Talking about training on a single image like it's enough means you probably don't get the point of ML m8
    - thot_experiment 2y ago
      Nobody goes to jail for piracy, nobody is going to go to jail for this. Especially since proving piracy is infinitely easier than proving something was AI generated. While I wasn't clear, you're also willfully misunderstanding me. The point is that none of the adversarial tools work, and I have strong doubts that any of them will ever work as a fundamental facet of how the data is processed by these models. Though you may be surprised that you can make a style LoRA that preforms well off ~8 images and you can condition a model off a single image. Though if you're still doubting me I invite you to pose a challenge for my 8 year old GPU. ;)

throwaway290 2y ago

Nah mate you'll need to continuiusly acquire new data to stay updated, otherwise tomorrow a genius artist comes up and if your model can't imitate her style, what a sad day? If you have the resources to scrape the entire web and sanitize the data and fight the anti-AI arms race and retrain the model all the time and you do it alone just for yourself at home for the lulz then I guess knock yourself out, no one will mind. But a gaming computer from last decade alone probably won't cut it > entirely open source stack I heard of some tornado cash and wow using OSS for crime totally made it not a crime! > millions of other people Yeah sure my phone also has ML

thot_experiment 2y ago
Bruh, the idea that tornado cash and SD are somehow equivalent is laughable. The point is that the open source stack means that there's no point where you can force any of these fingerprinting things in. It's all already out in the open. It's just like HDCP, if I can see the video on my computer I can pirate it, the same goes for glaze and related approaches, fundamentally you are not going to be able to prevent someone from training on an image if a human can correctly interpret the image as the artist intended. Sure you may cause some extra steps, but those steps will quickly be automated away. The vast majority of the "theft" from artists in the form of LoRAs and finetunes is done by individuals and trivially propagated all over the internet. I can train a LoRA on a particular artist in about 6 hours using my old ass computer and a base model that's almost 2 years old plus 20 images scraped from wherever and achieve great results. Most of what gives the model the generic capability to create images doesn't need to be retrained, finetuning on styles is very cost effective. Though many of the advances in the capability of SD have nothing to do with training the model at all but rather advances in instrumentation and conditioning. Art is like 90% building on generic work that others have done before you and like 10% your own contribution if that. Everything is a remix. That is the the core truth that allows style transfer approaches to work even if the specific style is not represented in the training data, in most cases there's a blend of conditioning vectors that gets you pretty close. Maybe the future of art is "making art that's hard for the computer to recreate" which would be dope, but the stuff it's already good at? That's over and done with, that cat is not going back in the bag. And to be clear, the set of stuff it's good at is larger than the set of things that are in the training data because of advanced conditioning techniques like CoAdapters/IPAdapter/ControlNet/modified CLIP conditioning etc. And yes, millions of people, SD 1.5 had 4.5mil downloads in the last month alone.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  > The point is that the open source stack means that there's no point where you can force any of these fingerprinting things Promising jail is that point. Remember, open source is besides the point, whether what you do is against the law is what it's all about;) > training on an image Talking about training on a single image like it's enough means you probably don't get the point of ML m8
  - thot_experiment 2y ago
    Nobody goes to jail for piracy, nobody is going to go to jail for this. Especially since proving piracy is infinitely easier than proving something was AI generated. While I wasn't clear, you're also willfully misunderstanding me. The point is that none of the adversarial tools work, and I have strong doubts that any of them will ever work as a fundamental facet of how the data is processed by these models. Though you may be surprised that you can make a style LoRA that preforms well off ~8 images and you can condition a model off a single image. Though if you're still doubting me I invite you to pose a challenge for my 8 year old GPU. ;)