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A PS2 developer may want to do so as a type of copy protection. Somebody today, when implementing a PS2 emulator would want to know about these techniques in o

A PS2 developer may want to do so as a type of copy protection. Somebody today, when implementing a PS2 emulator would want to know about these techniques in order to archive and document these games.

jsheard 2y ago
For current systems, sure, a developer might want to make it difficult to run their game in an emulator to deter piracy. There were a handful of Wii games which did that since Dolphin matured while new Wii games were still being released. Nobody is making new commercial PS2 games anymore though, so any anti-emulator trick that wasn't deployed back in the day is never going to matter in practice.
- sroussey 2y ago
  If you knew of the bug at the time of development, you could “future-proof” your copy protection, I suppose…
dehrmann 2y ago
In that era, wasn't emulation so far behind the real hardware that you wouldn't have to worry about emulators until at least 5 years after the console came out?
- vundercind 2y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!
  - lupire 2y ago
    HN doesn't include! In URLs. Wikipedia hasa redirect to help. I enjoyed reading how the promptly developed proprietary copy-protection circumventing software had copy protection that was promptly circumvented.
  - refactor_master 2y ago
    “Sony had accused Bleem! of engaging in unfair competition by allowing PlayStation BIOSs to be used on a personal computer (…) The Judge had rejected the notion, and issued a protective order to "protect David from Goliath".” “(As) Bleem! had (…) to deal with defense costs of $1 million per patent” The irony.
- FMecha 2y ago
  GBA emulation started right after the console's release; any checks against emulation around that time were primarily targeting bootleg/flash carts. Some PSP games also have anti-CFW (custom firmware) checks that will also trip emulators that haven't yet coded to deal with that.
  - 0xcde4c3db 2y ago
    Fun fact: GBA emulation and homebrew development actually started before the system's release [1]. IIRC, the official devkit was leaked, then someone wrote a summary of the low-level documentation and started circulating that, which (since the CPU had an off-the-shelf ARM core) was enough to start making rudimentary emulators and tech demos. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20001214040900/http://www.zophar.net:80/gba.html https://web.archive.org/web/20001214040900/http://www.zophar...
    - ClassyJacket 2y ago
      That's so interesting, I'm surprised I never knew that. Also the GBA went on to sell 81 million units. Pretty good evidence emulation doesn't kill consoles.

jsheard 2y ago

For current systems, sure, a developer might want to make it difficult to run their game in an emulator to deter piracy. There were a handful of Wii games which did that since Dolphin matured while new Wii games were still being released. Nobody is making new commercial PS2 games anymore though, so any anti-emulator trick that wasn't deployed back in the day is never going to matter in practice.

sroussey 2y ago
If you knew of the bug at the time of development, you could “future-proof” your copy protection, I suppose…

dehrmann 2y ago

In that era, wasn't emulation so far behind the real hardware that you wouldn't have to worry about emulators until at least 5 years after the console came out?

vundercind 2y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!
- lupire 2y ago
  HN doesn't include! In URLs. Wikipedia hasa redirect to help. I enjoyed reading how the promptly developed proprietary copy-protection circumventing software had copy protection that was promptly circumvented.
- refactor_master 2y ago
  “Sony had accused Bleem! of engaging in unfair competition by allowing PlayStation BIOSs to be used on a personal computer (…) The Judge had rejected the notion, and issued a protective order to "protect David from Goliath".” “(As) Bleem! had (…) to deal with defense costs of $1 million per patent” The irony.
FMecha 2y ago
GBA emulation started right after the console's release; any checks against emulation around that time were primarily targeting bootleg/flash carts. Some PSP games also have anti-CFW (custom firmware) checks that will also trip emulators that haven't yet coded to deal with that.
- 0xcde4c3db 2y ago
  Fun fact: GBA emulation and homebrew development actually started before the system's release [1]. IIRC, the official devkit was leaked, then someone wrote a summary of the low-level documentation and started circulating that, which (since the CPU had an off-the-shelf ARM core) was enough to start making rudimentary emulators and tech demos. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20001214040900/http://www.zophar.net:80/gba.html https://web.archive.org/web/20001214040900/http://www.zophar...
  - ClassyJacket 2y ago
    That's so interesting, I'm surprised I never knew that. Also the GBA went on to sell 81 million units. Pretty good evidence emulation doesn't kill consoles.