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I always wonder what are the mechanisms that let recent immigrants from the global south settle in the capitals thah the local white collar youth has hard time

I always wonder what are the mechanisms that let recent immigrants from the global south settle in the capitals thah the local white collar youth has hard time affording.

aprilthird2021 2y ago
I am from one such community, so I can say what I think are the key factors here: 1) Refugee / Skilled worker policy combine to give communities from the global south a healthy mix of size in numbers and money to support many of them. Skilled workers from these communities are really generous and spend a lot to maintain their communities and community centers / the most unfortunate among them. 2) There is a much more collectivist mindset which is actually very helpful in a freer, more free market system. Many global south countries are less free in terms of business. But Western countries are better about these things. Communities abroad get along when the same people might not have been friends back at home, this cohesiveness lets them open and patronize businesses in the community better. These people can then save on costs (rent, food costs, etc.) while putting that money into collective asset control or other money making systems. 3) It's easier to find the community with Internet. In the past you would need to find or know someone when moving abroad and the options were limited. Nowadays a religious center, cultural center, or other association office or even just scanning the map for restaurant names and clusters can allow you to find your community easily from millions of miles away. In short, local white collar youth don't have the same collective mindset with each other, and cannot grow by adding more numbers to their ranks, so these are the main differences I feel.
- thriftwy 2y ago
  So as I see it, local white collar background citizens are either stretched too thin trying to maintain their peak life style, or maybe not stretched but also not sharing enough. Perhaps the capitalistic system also does a disservice by encouraging them to keep funds in bad investment vehicles (stock, deposits) instead of social capital or a spare home.
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    Yes I think you have it right. Westerners are much more obsessed with their individual / nuclear family status and don't share. This has some perks, but when your competition is much more collectivist and socially cohesive, it can be a disadvantage.
h1fra 2y ago
Because it's not happening, immigrants mostly lives in the suburbs, the city is unaffordable for most people and is emptying itself rapidly (in the last decade the city has shrunk by 100K+)
tuetuopay 2y ago
Because they don’t settle in the capital. They settle in made-for-immigration suburbs that white collars don’t want to even set foot in. Basically France made immigration ghettos after the war to have cheap labour to rebuild the country. The white collar youth complains about not being able to settle in the capital. They mean it in the most Parisian way: inside of the Périphérique, and will only consider the posh banlieues. An immigrant will be way less picky, and choose places with a local community of immigrants.

I always wonder what are the mechanisms that let recent immigrants from the global south settle in the capitals thah the local white collar youth has hard time affording.

aprilthird2021 2y ago

I am from one such community, so I can say what I think are the key factors here: 1) Refugee / Skilled worker policy combine to give communities from the global south a healthy mix of size in numbers and money to support many of them. Skilled workers from these communities are really generous and spend a lot to maintain their communities and community centers / the most unfortunate among them. 2) There is a much more collectivist mindset which is actually very helpful in a freer, more free market system. Many global south countries are less free in terms of business. But Western countries are better about these things. Communities abroad get along when the same people might not have been friends back at home, this cohesiveness lets them open and patronize businesses in the community better. These people can then save on costs (rent, food costs, etc.) while putting that money into collective asset control or other money making systems. 3) It's easier to find the community with Internet. In the past you would need to find or know someone when moving abroad and the options were limited. Nowadays a religious center, cultural center, or other association office or even just scanning the map for restaurant names and clusters can allow you to find your community easily from millions of miles away. In short, local white collar youth don't have the same collective mindset with each other, and cannot grow by adding more numbers to their ranks, so these are the main differences I feel.

thriftwy 2y ago
So as I see it, local white collar background citizens are either stretched too thin trying to maintain their peak life style, or maybe not stretched but also not sharing enough. Perhaps the capitalistic system also does a disservice by encouraging them to keep funds in bad investment vehicles (stock, deposits) instead of social capital or a spare home.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  Yes I think you have it right. Westerners are much more obsessed with their individual / nuclear family status and don't share. This has some perks, but when your competition is much more collectivist and socially cohesive, it can be a disadvantage.

h1fra 2y ago

Because it's not happening, immigrants mostly lives in the suburbs, the city is unaffordable for most people and is emptying itself rapidly (in the last decade the city has shrunk by 100K+)

tuetuopay 2y ago

Because they don’t settle in the capital. They settle in made-for-immigration suburbs that white collars don’t want to even set foot in. Basically France made immigration ghettos after the war to have cheap labour to rebuild the country. The white collar youth complains about not being able to settle in the capital. They mean it in the most Parisian way: inside of the Périphérique, and will only consider the posh banlieues. An immigrant will be way less picky, and choose places with a local community of immigrants.