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Source?

by klelatti 2y ago

Source?

pjmlp 2y ago
Google is your friend.
- klelatti 2y ago
  I've looked at this several times and have never found a source that confirms what you have said. Do you have a source or not?
  - klelatti 2y ago
    Narrator: There was no source.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      Nah, I just don't want to baby feed people on the Internet. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-already-saved-apple---twice https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-alrea... https://appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/30/arm_reports_finger_apple_as_long_term_architecture_licensee https://appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/30/arm_reports_finge...
      - klelatti 2y ago
        Neither of those say what your comment implied - that they get a special deal and that’s because they are a founder.
      - xacky 2y ago
        You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you have your own business or are you "baby fed" by your boss.
mort96 2y ago
I don't get why that guy didn't just link to a source, but I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Holdings#Founding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Holdings#Founding The company was founded in November 1990 as Advanced RISC Machines Ltd and structured as a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple, and VLSI Technology. Which links a blog post and an LA Times news article as a source: https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/architectures-and-processors-blog/posts/a-brief-history-of-arm-part-1 https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/architecture..., https://web.archive.org/web/20210325060916/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-28-fi-4993-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210325060916/https://www.latim...
- klelatti 2y ago
  Yes, Apple is an Arm founder. The comment implies, though, that they get a special deal because they are a founder. Neither Wikipedia nor the linked articles say that. There won't be a source because the details of the current commercial contract between Apple and Arm will be highly confidential. In any event, it's vanishingly unlikely that Apple gets some special unique rights to IP created in the 2000s as a result of having a big shareholding in Arm in 1991 which they sold completely in the 1990s. Yes, Apple probably gets a great deal but because they are a huge, enormously high-profile customer who has worked closely with Arm on the development of their latest IP.
  - mort96 2y ago
    Ah sorry, I misunderstood, my bad. I think your analysis sounds good: Apple certainly gets special deals, but those deals don't have anything to do with having been a major share-holder of ARM some 30 years ago.
    - klelatti 2y ago
      My apologies too - didn't mean to sound critical! Thanks for your comment on the analysis. I see this all the time, often in even more extreme form, such as Apple gets it all for free! You can look at Arm's accounts in the 1990s and prove that Apple never got it for free.

Source?

pjmlp 2y ago

Google is your friend.

klelatti 2y ago
I've looked at this several times and have never found a source that confirms what you have said. Do you have a source or not?
- klelatti 2y ago
  Narrator: There was no source.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Nah, I just don't want to baby feed people on the Internet. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-already-saved-apple---twice https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/09/how-arm-has-alrea... https://appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/30/arm_reports_finger_apple_as_long_term_architecture_licensee https://appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/30/arm_reports_finge...
    - klelatti 2y ago
      Neither of those say what your comment implied - that they get a special deal and that’s because they are a founder.
    - xacky 2y ago
      You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you have your own business or are you "baby fed" by your boss.

mort96 2y ago

I don't get why that guy didn't just link to a source, but I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Holdings#Founding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Holdings#Founding The company was founded in November 1990 as Advanced RISC Machines Ltd and structured as a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple, and VLSI Technology. Which links a blog post and an LA Times news article as a source: https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/architectures-and-processors-blog/posts/a-brief-history-of-arm-part-1 https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/architecture..., https://web.archive.org/web/20210325060916/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-28-fi-4993-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210325060916/https://www.latim...

klelatti 2y ago
Yes, Apple is an Arm founder. The comment implies, though, that they get a special deal because they are a founder. Neither Wikipedia nor the linked articles say that. There won't be a source because the details of the current commercial contract between Apple and Arm will be highly confidential. In any event, it's vanishingly unlikely that Apple gets some special unique rights to IP created in the 2000s as a result of having a big shareholding in Arm in 1991 which they sold completely in the 1990s. Yes, Apple probably gets a great deal but because they are a huge, enormously high-profile customer who has worked closely with Arm on the development of their latest IP.
- mort96 2y ago
  Ah sorry, I misunderstood, my bad. I think your analysis sounds good: Apple certainly gets special deals, but those deals don't have anything to do with having been a major share-holder of ARM some 30 years ago.
  - klelatti 2y ago
    My apologies too - didn't mean to sound critical! Thanks for your comment on the analysis. I see this all the time, often in even more extreme form, such as Apple gets it all for free! You can look at Arm's accounts in the 1990s and prove that Apple never got it for free.