Well slight disagree: I bought a sweet manual 6 speed 4x4 softop jeep 2 door from a Boston guy with just the right amount of after market add ons. Its "definite

Well slight disagree: I bought a sweet manual 6 speed 4x4 softop jeep 2 door from a Boston guy with just the right amount of after market add ons. Its "definitely there" and nothing to prove. I loved that ride. Manual everything. No subscriptions; simple engine. Little electronics. Cheap to fix. New tires at $350 each was the most expensive thing on it. Op is right for various reasons. Last New car purchase about 2005 for me. My wife totalled it and the prev car with 1 year of purchase ... so i partially quit new cause of that. Carmax as far as I can tell is too generous buying used cars, and they have too many good cars to bother with new. Electric is not my ballgame; other than not my pref not smart enough to say anymore more there.