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GPT-4o retrieved this for me: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/apple-inks-new-deal-arm-chip-designer/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/apple-inks-new-de

GPT-4o retrieved this for me: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/apple-inks-new-deal-arm-chip-designer/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/apple-inks-new-deal-arm...

snvzz 2y ago
So, not a source. There's some claims in this article and in the routers article they use as source, but they're unrelated.
- klelatti 2y ago
  err... > ... we have entered into a new long-term agreement with Apple that extends beyond 2040, continuing our longstanding relationship of collaboration with Apple and Apple’s access to the Arm architecture. Arm's IPO F-1/A. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1973239/000119312523228059/d393891df1a.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1973239/000119312523... Which was linked in the MacRumors link.
  - snvzz 2y ago
    Yes, I had seen that. >agreement and >access to the Arm architecture. Is vague language that could mean about anything. E.g. it could mean RAND ("reasonable" and "non-discriminatory"). Namely, the parent specifically claimed: >Apple has a licensing deal with ARM through 2040 The vague language is insufficient to support the claim.
    - klelatti 2y ago
      No. > we have entered into a new long-term agreement with Apple that extends beyond 2040, continuing … Apple’s access to the Arm architecture. Clearly says that the agreement continues Apple’s access to the Arm architecture beyond 2040. That’s what a licensing deal is. This is an important disclosure. Any attempt to pass something less than a licensing deal with this wording wouldn’t get pass the lawyers.
      - snvzz 2y ago
        IANAL. With that out of the way, That's not even a contract but a public statement. A lawyer would wipe her ass with it. We do not get to see the actual agreement, and this "access" could very well mean the RAND I mentioned, i.e. that they won't be arbitrarily denied a license. Incidentally, the key word "license" is remarkably not included in the language used.
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GPT-4o retrieved this for me: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/apple-inks-new-deal-arm-chip-designer/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/apple-inks-new-deal-arm...

snvzz 2y ago

So, not a source. There's some claims in this article and in the routers article they use as source, but they're unrelated.

klelatti 2y ago
err... > ... we have entered into a new long-term agreement with Apple that extends beyond 2040, continuing our longstanding relationship of collaboration with Apple and Apple’s access to the Arm architecture. Arm's IPO F-1/A. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1973239/000119312523228059/d393891df1a.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1973239/000119312523... Which was linked in the MacRumors link.
- snvzz 2y ago
  Yes, I had seen that. >agreement and >access to the Arm architecture. Is vague language that could mean about anything. E.g. it could mean RAND ("reasonable" and "non-discriminatory"). Namely, the parent specifically claimed: >Apple has a licensing deal with ARM through 2040 The vague language is insufficient to support the claim.
  - klelatti 2y ago
    No. > we have entered into a new long-term agreement with Apple that extends beyond 2040, continuing … Apple’s access to the Arm architecture. Clearly says that the agreement continues Apple’s access to the Arm architecture beyond 2040. That’s what a licensing deal is. This is an important disclosure. Any attempt to pass something less than a licensing deal with this wording wouldn’t get pass the lawyers.
    - snvzz 2y ago
      IANAL. With that out of the way, That's not even a contract but a public statement. A lawyer would wipe her ass with it. We do not get to see the actual agreement, and this "access" could very well mean the RAND I mentioned, i.e. that they won't be arbitrarily denied a license. Incidentally, the key word "license" is remarkably not included in the language used.
      - deleted 2y ago
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