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Can I humbly suggest picking up Wade Davis's book? I think he does a fantastic job breaking apart the attitude and trauma that drove Mallory and Irvine to the m

Can I humbly suggest picking up Wade Davis's book? I think he does a fantastic job breaking apart the attitude and trauma that drove Mallory and Irvine to the mountain. Toxic masculinity was not in it. Some level of trench trauma was. We don't call the mountain Chomolungma today, because, quite simply it was never widely called that historically. If anything Sagarmāthā was maybe slightly more popular, but even then written references to that name were rare. Some other books if you wish to learn about Everest: https://www.amazon.com/Into-Silence-Mallory-Conquest-Everest/dp/0375708154 https://www.amazon.com/Into-Silence-Mallory-Conquest-Everest... https://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Personal-Disaster/dp/0385494785 https://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Personal-Disaster/dp/03... https://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Everest-Climbing-Through/dp/0812933400 https://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Everest-Climbing-Through/d... https://www.amazon.com/High-Adventure-Story-Ascent-Everest/dp/0195167341 https://www.amazon.com/High-Adventure-Story-Ascent-Everest/d... Good reading!

musha68k 2y ago
Humbly asking which parts of the article would get refuted by the books you listed? Why and in which instances could they be seen more authoritative? Toxic masculinity could arguably be extended to colonialism (see even the quoted passage before); let's keep it focused here though on context and the crushing constraints on choice with harmful outcomes.
- InTheArena 2y ago
  The primary thesis - perhaps overstated - of Wade Davis's book - is that it was more or less the demons/memory of the Great War that drove them. having not read Conefry's book yet - it's only been published for less than a month, I don't know if this is Mick's thesis or your thesis. All that said, Davis's book is held in high regard by the mountaineering and the historians of the period.
jltsiren 2y ago
The mountain is usually called Everest, because British surveyors could not go to Nepal and Tibet to determine the local name. The name among the peoples living close to the mountain would have been Chomolungma (or something similar). Sagarmatha was apparently a name used further south in Nepal (outside the Tibetan cultural sphere), but the history of that name is poorly documented.

musha68k 2y ago

Humbly asking which parts of the article would get refuted by the books you listed? Why and in which instances could they be seen more authoritative? Toxic masculinity could arguably be extended to colonialism (see even the quoted passage before); let's keep it focused here though on context and the crushing constraints on choice with harmful outcomes.

InTheArena 2y ago
The primary thesis - perhaps overstated - of Wade Davis's book - is that it was more or less the demons/memory of the Great War that drove them. having not read Conefry's book yet - it's only been published for less than a month, I don't know if this is Mick's thesis or your thesis. All that said, Davis's book is held in high regard by the mountaineering and the historians of the period.

jltsiren 2y ago

The mountain is usually called Everest, because British surveyors could not go to Nepal and Tibet to determine the local name. The name among the peoples living close to the mountain would have been Chomolungma (or something similar). Sagarmatha was apparently a name used further south in Nepal (outside the Tibetan cultural sphere), but the history of that name is poorly documented.