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I've never been on the other(interviewer) side of the hiring process and I was on another side only once during the last decade, so I might not have enough insi

by exim 14y ago

I've never been on the other(interviewer) side of the hiring process and I was on another side only once during the last decade, so I might not have enough insight, but I really don't understand non-coding coders filtering per se, be it your method or FizzBuzz... When someone says about their years of experience in coding in their CV, is it a common case that they're lying?

sigkill 14y ago
Maybe not lying per se, but embellishing the truth definitely occurs. It isn't unheard of people not being able to conceptually plow through the FizzBuzz even with a few years of experience.
ksat 14y ago
Not lying. Even I am not sure why this happens though. I think two things are at play: a) You could survive in big enough company without coding (You survive by tinkering xml files, db records, monitoring the servers.. stuff like that) b) Most interviews don't require you to code. They rely on stuffs like puzzles, knowledge of complex algorithms and asking you explain things about your previous work. So a candidates keeps getting good at that since that's what is required to get the next job. But i am not entirely sure. It surprises me too.
adrianhoward 14y ago
When someone says about their years of experience in coding in their CV, is it a common case that they're lying? I, somewhat cynically, divide job seekers into four categories: 1) the qualified (I know what I can do, and I can do what you need) 2) the unqualified (I know what I can do, but I can't do what you need) 3) the deluded (I honestly think I'm qualified, but I'm not) 4) the liars (I'm trying to get the job by any mean necessary). I only want (1). (2) are easy to deal with - you just have to know what you need. (3) are common and mildly annoying - especially if you're a nice person and feel the need to explain where they are deluded :-) (4) are not common - but are exceptionally annoying and often hard to sort out Writing a really good job spec / advert will get rid of most of (2) for you, and help remove all but the most deluded from (3). Filtering resultant CVs will usually get rid of the rest of (2), and a bit more of (3). A quick chat on the phone will get rid of any remaining (2) and a big chunk of (3). Simple tests similar to FizzBuzz will cull a surprising amount of (3) and (4). Interviewing - especially good accomplishment based questions will tend to filter out all of (3) and a big chunk of (4). Which, unfortunately, occasionally leaves some of (4) who seem to sometimes put more effort into deceiving me than it would take to actually learn the damn skills in the first place. Which is why I really like having some kind of solid work "with the team" session for at least a couple of hours. Pay 'em for it too if at all possible.

by exim 14y ago

sigkill 14y ago

Maybe not lying per se, but embellishing the truth definitely occurs. It isn't unheard of people not being able to conceptually plow through the FizzBuzz even with a few years of experience.

ksat 14y ago

Not lying. Even I am not sure why this happens though. I think two things are at play: a) You could survive in big enough company without coding (You survive by tinkering xml files, db records, monitoring the servers.. stuff like that) b) Most interviews don't require you to code. They rely on stuffs like puzzles, knowledge of complex algorithms and asking you explain things about your previous work. So a candidates keeps getting good at that since that's what is required to get the next job. But i am not entirely sure. It surprises me too.

adrianhoward 14y ago

When someone says about their years of experience in coding in their CV, is it a common case that they're lying? I, somewhat cynically, divide job seekers into four categories: 1) the qualified (I know what I can do, and I can do what you need) 2) the unqualified (I know what I can do, but I can't do what you need) 3) the deluded (I honestly think I'm qualified, but I'm not) 4) the liars (I'm trying to get the job by any mean necessary). I only want (1). (2) are easy to deal with - you just have to know what you need. (3) are common and mildly annoying - especially if you're a nice person and feel the need to explain where they are deluded :-) (4) are not common - but are exceptionally annoying and often hard to sort out Writing a really good job spec / advert will get rid of most of (2) for you, and help remove all but the most deluded from (3). Filtering resultant CVs will usually get rid of the rest of (2), and a bit more of (3). A quick chat on the phone will get rid of any remaining (2) and a big chunk of (3). Simple tests similar to FizzBuzz will cull a surprising amount of (3) and (4). Interviewing - especially good accomplishment based questions will tend to filter out all of (3) and a big chunk of (4). Which, unfortunately, occasionally leaves some of (4) who seem to sometimes put more effort into deceiving me than it would take to actually learn the damn skills in the first place. Which is why I really like having some kind of solid work "with the team" session for at least a couple of hours. Pay 'em for it too if at all possible.