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Alcohol is absolutely not required. It's the Western culture. I live in a country/social circle where nobody drinks and it's plain out funny seeing Westerners t

Alcohol is absolutely not required. It's the Western culture. I live in a country/social circle where nobody drinks and it's plain out funny seeing Westerners thinking alcohol is some absolute necessity of life.

roywiggins 2y ago
It's a lot of cultures, not just Western culture.
inglor_cz 2y ago
The interesting thing about Islamic culture is that for all their sobriety, those societies are still prone to outbursts of political/religious rage. No external intoxicant needed.
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  I wonder why. Doubtful that it's the absence of alcohol causing such rage though, even if their rates of outbursts are higher than others.
  - Aerbil313 2y ago
    There's no evidence showing Islamic societies have more outbursts than others. The two parent comments seem to be talking about some imagined reality. Meanwhile, while being only partially related to rage and outbursts, > Alcohol is involved in more homicides across the United States compared to other substances, like heroin and cocaine. In fact, about 40% of convicted murderers had used alcohol before or during the crime. listed among other crimes such as robbery, sexual assault, aggravated assault, intimate partner violence and child abuse[1]. 1: https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/ https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I hate all religion, though for real harms and not imagined ones.
      - Aerbil313 2y ago
        I don't appreciate the hate. It's generally frowned upon in the HN community too.
ls612 2y ago
Islam is the exception not the rule in human cultures. Every human tribe which has figured out fermentation has used it extensively.
- nerdbert 2y ago
  And in many Muslim countries, drinking is a big part of the culture notwithstanding the religious dicta (or even legal penalties). Iran loves its wine. Indonesia loves its arak.

roywiggins 2y ago

It's a lot of cultures, not just Western culture.

inglor_cz 2y ago

The interesting thing about Islamic culture is that for all their sobriety, those societies are still prone to outbursts of political/religious rage. No external intoxicant needed.

paulryanrogers 2y ago
I wonder why. Doubtful that it's the absence of alcohol causing such rage though, even if their rates of outbursts are higher than others.
- Aerbil313 2y ago
  There's no evidence showing Islamic societies have more outbursts than others. The two parent comments seem to be talking about some imagined reality. Meanwhile, while being only partially related to rage and outbursts, > Alcohol is involved in more homicides across the United States compared to other substances, like heroin and cocaine. In fact, about 40% of convicted murderers had used alcohol before or during the crime. listed among other crimes such as robbery, sexual assault, aggravated assault, intimate partner violence and child abuse[1]. 1: https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/ https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I hate all religion, though for real harms and not imagined ones.
    - Aerbil313 2y ago
      I don't appreciate the hate. It's generally frowned upon in the HN community too.

ls612 2y ago

Islam is the exception not the rule in human cultures. Every human tribe which has figured out fermentation has used it extensively.

nerdbert 2y ago
And in many Muslim countries, drinking is a big part of the culture notwithstanding the religious dicta (or even legal penalties). Iran loves its wine. Indonesia loves its arak.