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I think they actually did consider that - that's why they emphasized it was all on device. They thought about it, they just didn't think about how little we wou

I think they actually did consider that - that's why they emphasized it was all on device. They thought about it, they just didn't think about how little we would trust that promise.

pydry 2y ago
I'm perplexed that anybody thinks Microsoft were being dumb. They know exactly what they are doing and putting the pieces in place to violate users' security is the point. Theyre just boiling the frog slowly. It'll be turned on by default soon enough and then theyll start looking for excuses to upload it. This can be used to make them a shedload of money one day.
- jasonfarnon 2y ago
  I agree, these decisions in 2024 are thoroughly vetted. I think the only thing these companies don't know is when the news cycle will pick up on something they're doing and they get blowback, and they'll have to pretend this was some little oversight.
  - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
    Honestly, it has the smell of an NSA pressure campaign which would also rake in the money like nobodies business.. an easy choice for Microsoft. They are as guilty as sin for turning everything they create into a surveillance product. I was just remembering today what they did to the security/encryption as soon as they bought over Skype… they removed it. And who would that benefit - the spies. No-one cared about that. No-one ever cares. Except for this rare occasion - tides are turning and people are starting to care a tad more.
- WhackyIdeas 2y ago
  Totally. They just thought nobody would give a fuck. Except, people did. And now Adobe is getting it too.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    Adobe figures that if MS can get away with it why can't they? Companies will just keep chipping away at our privacy every chance that they get because our data is extraordinarily valuable and we can't stay hypervigilant and outraged forever. Eventually, they'll get what they want, and then they'll push a little more.
    - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
      Yes, it feels like the world is about to implode. I don’t have any friends that care about their own security and privacy. Wanna be my friend? Lol
- froggit 2y ago
  "noncon:" an abbreviation for "nonconsensual;" describes Microsoft's behaviour towards users.
autoexec 2y ago
Even if they kept that promise and they never uploaded the data off our devices, someone else (a hacker, a cop, a stalker, a lawyer, a thief, an abuser) will. Their promise is that everything you ever do on your device will be stored anywhere and can be used against you at any time. It turns out that not many people actually want that.

I think they actually did consider that - that's why they emphasized it was all on device. They thought about it, they just didn't think about how little we would trust that promise.

pydry 2y ago

I'm perplexed that anybody thinks Microsoft were being dumb. They know exactly what they are doing and putting the pieces in place to violate users' security is the point. Theyre just boiling the frog slowly. It'll be turned on by default soon enough and then theyll start looking for excuses to upload it. This can be used to make them a shedload of money one day.

jasonfarnon 2y ago
I agree, these decisions in 2024 are thoroughly vetted. I think the only thing these companies don't know is when the news cycle will pick up on something they're doing and they get blowback, and they'll have to pretend this was some little oversight.
- WhackyIdeas 2y ago
  Honestly, it has the smell of an NSA pressure campaign which would also rake in the money like nobodies business.. an easy choice for Microsoft. They are as guilty as sin for turning everything they create into a surveillance product. I was just remembering today what they did to the security/encryption as soon as they bought over Skype… they removed it. And who would that benefit - the spies. No-one cared about that. No-one ever cares. Except for this rare occasion - tides are turning and people are starting to care a tad more.
WhackyIdeas 2y ago
Totally. They just thought nobody would give a fuck. Except, people did. And now Adobe is getting it too.
- autoexec 2y ago
  Adobe figures that if MS can get away with it why can't they? Companies will just keep chipping away at our privacy every chance that they get because our data is extraordinarily valuable and we can't stay hypervigilant and outraged forever. Eventually, they'll get what they want, and then they'll push a little more.
  - WhackyIdeas 2y ago
    Yes, it feels like the world is about to implode. I don’t have any friends that care about their own security and privacy. Wanna be my friend? Lol
froggit 2y ago
"noncon:" an abbreviation for "nonconsensual;" describes Microsoft's behaviour towards users.

autoexec 2y ago

Even if they kept that promise and they never uploaded the data off our devices, someone else (a hacker, a cop, a stalker, a lawyer, a thief, an abuser) will. Their promise is that everything you ever do on your device will be stored anywhere and can be used against you at any time. It turns out that not many people actually want that.