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It's sad that Microsoft (or any big company) wouldn't take a step back from such privacy intrusive or anti-user behavior unless there's a public backlash. Can'

It's sad that Microsoft (or any big company) wouldn't take a step back from such privacy intrusive or anti-user behavior unless there's a public backlash. Can't we just have a peaceful life without wasting time on constantly following and analyzing every single move from these companies?

chinathrow 2y ago
Have you not seen Windows 11 lately? I have, and I am still happy to be on Linux as my daily driver for over 20 years now.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  I almost want to start using Windows as a daily driver just so I can leave again.
- workfromspace 2y ago
  Honestly I haven't. Thankfully my company still allows MacOS and for my personal PC I have Arch Linux at home. However luckily I follow enough HN, so I don't need to test it myself.
rationalfaith 2y ago
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grugagag 2y ago
Microsoft will go ahead with Recall, will temporarily make it opt-in. Eventually, when weather is good they’ll default it to opt-out. If new backlash ensues they’ll PR that it was a a bug and turn it off only to bundle it later with something that can’t be turned off. At this point MS is a toxic company that you’re better off, as a user, to steer away from.
- PKop 2y ago
  I think they'll abandon it after a few years like they did with Cortana, when the reality of no one wanting to use it sets in.
ragnese 2y ago
> Can't we just have a peaceful life without wasting time on constantly following and analyzing every single move from these companies? Not if you're using Microsoft products, no. People continue to get irritated when "we" do this, but here I go: you should be running Linux exclusively on your personal computers. You should also stop buying "smart" shit.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  I've been running linux (ubuntu) for last 2 years, for the 3rd time in my life. All I can say is: Linux does just about everything more efficiently than Windows, but Windows does just about everything better than Linux. What makes Linux so great is also what keeps it perpetually at ~5% adoption. I'm probably going to go back to Windows again soon. I'm just not interested in needing to learn a bespoke computer language to get the most of of my PC.
  - ragnese 2y ago
    Okay. And? I still think it's not in your best interest to do that, but I'm just some guy on the internet and you can do whatever you want. I also recommend that you don't smoke cigarettes, but I'm not going to lose sleep if you tell me you're going to do that, too. I'm not like so many who seem to have to rationalize their choice of Linux or other free software by pretending it's actually technically better than the proprietary for-profit stuff. It's not about that. Linux could get 10% of the battery life of Windows, have zero games, no Netflix/whatever support, and be slow as hell--I'd still choose it over proprietary options out of principle. I want to own my computer. I don't want my computer to spy on me. Microsoft is literally adversarial to its users (Apple and Google are, too, but Apple at least has slightly different incentives that might make them less bad). Why would I invite that negativity into my life? Life is hard enough without trying to fight against a trillion dollar company for my privacy when I don't have to. It's that simple for me: I'm not inviting a Trojan horse in. But, people act like I'm some tinfoil hat nutjob. I think everyone else is crazy for sacrificing their privacy for "but Windows has a game I like". Apologies for the preaching, but I don't know how to explain my point of view without it sounding like that!
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npteljes 2y ago
>Can't we just have a peaceful life without wasting time on constantly following and analyzing every single move from these companies? No, we can't. Peaceful, content, satisfied, private, conscious makes less rent than disturbed, displeased, unsatisfied, surveilled. So while some people desire the first set, some others desire the second, and so, the cat-and-mouse game continues.

chinathrow 2y ago

Have you not seen Windows 11 lately? I have, and I am still happy to be on Linux as my daily driver for over 20 years now.

bee_rider 2y ago
I almost want to start using Windows as a daily driver just so I can leave again.
workfromspace 2y ago
Honestly I haven't. Thankfully my company still allows MacOS and for my personal PC I have Arch Linux at home. However luckily I follow enough HN, so I don't need to test it myself.

rationalfaith 2y ago

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grugagag 2y ago

Microsoft will go ahead with Recall, will temporarily make it opt-in. Eventually, when weather is good they’ll default it to opt-out. If new backlash ensues they’ll PR that it was a a bug and turn it off only to bundle it later with something that can’t be turned off. At this point MS is a toxic company that you’re better off, as a user, to steer away from.

PKop 2y ago
I think they'll abandon it after a few years like they did with Cortana, when the reality of no one wanting to use it sets in.

ragnese 2y ago

> Can't we just have a peaceful life without wasting time on constantly following and analyzing every single move from these companies? Not if you're using Microsoft products, no. People continue to get irritated when "we" do this, but here I go: you should be running Linux exclusively on your personal computers. You should also stop buying "smart" shit.

Workaccount2 2y ago
I've been running linux (ubuntu) for last 2 years, for the 3rd time in my life. All I can say is: Linux does just about everything more efficiently than Windows, but Windows does just about everything better than Linux. What makes Linux so great is also what keeps it perpetually at ~5% adoption. I'm probably going to go back to Windows again soon. I'm just not interested in needing to learn a bespoke computer language to get the most of of my PC.
- ragnese 2y ago
  Okay. And? I still think it's not in your best interest to do that, but I'm just some guy on the internet and you can do whatever you want. I also recommend that you don't smoke cigarettes, but I'm not going to lose sleep if you tell me you're going to do that, too. I'm not like so many who seem to have to rationalize their choice of Linux or other free software by pretending it's actually technically better than the proprietary for-profit stuff. It's not about that. Linux could get 10% of the battery life of Windows, have zero games, no Netflix/whatever support, and be slow as hell--I'd still choose it over proprietary options out of principle. I want to own my computer. I don't want my computer to spy on me. Microsoft is literally adversarial to its users (Apple and Google are, too, but Apple at least has slightly different incentives that might make them less bad). Why would I invite that negativity into my life? Life is hard enough without trying to fight against a trillion dollar company for my privacy when I don't have to. It's that simple for me: I'm not inviting a Trojan horse in. But, people act like I'm some tinfoil hat nutjob. I think everyone else is crazy for sacrificing their privacy for "but Windows has a game I like". Apologies for the preaching, but I don't know how to explain my point of view without it sounding like that!

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npteljes 2y ago

>Can't we just have a peaceful life without wasting time on constantly following and analyzing every single move from these companies? No, we can't. Peaceful, content, satisfied, private, conscious makes less rent than disturbed, displeased, unsatisfied, surveilled. So while some people desire the first set, some others desire the second, and so, the cat-and-mouse game continues.