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Objection forms, https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/6359191084165019 https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/6359191084165019 https://help.instagram.com/cont

Objection forms, https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/6359191084165019 https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/6359191084165019 https://help.instagram.com/contact/233964459562201 https://help.instagram.com/contact/233964459562201 As for what to put inside the objection form, you can say something like: > I do not consent to the use of my data for AI training, improvement, or personalized services. and in the additional information box, you can put something like: > If my objection is not honored, I will cease using all Meta products indefinitely. There should be absolutely no reason for Meta not to honor your request.

pests 2y ago
That doesn't seem to work in the USA? I don't think any of this matters in the end FWIW, starting to sound eerily similar to the chain posts my uncle shares on FB telling them they don't have permission to use his photos....
- jkaplowitz 2y ago
  There is generally no requirement for consent for Meta to engage in these activities in the USA, unless they promise in some document like their privacy policy to honor the presence or absence of consent for US users. The situation is very different in Europe, for example, where they very much do need consent or one of a few other legal grounds that probably don’t apply to most of their AI training purposes.
lloeki 2y ago
> There should be absolutely no reason for Meta not to honor your request. There should be absolutely no reason for Meta to not have "Accept" and "Reject" buttons right there instead of a mere "Close" button in this UI and then jumping through hoops to post forms: https://postimg.cc/R3m6bSMk https://postimg.cc/R3m6bSMk
- skilled 2y ago
  For sure! This is all a clever trick on their part. Default opt-in and announced through in-app notifications. Total scum.
  - lloeki 2y ago
    With such contrast and all, I didn't even notice that "right to object" was a link til late after I took that screenshot. I don't even know if it links to the form page. Also note that "Privacy Policy" has caps making it stand out a bit more, but not "right to object". This is also a modal so the moment you open the app is probably a moment where one wants to do something else so is very prompt to dismiss without reading, and then it vanishes forever.
  - rpastuszak 2y ago
    Evil by Design by Chris Nodder (iirc) is an interesting book about this subject-using the seven cardinal sins as a dark UX pattern framework.
latexr 2y ago
> If my objection is not honored, I will cease using all Meta products indefinitely. I don’t think that’s an efficient threat. Too easy to make and they know almost no one will follow through. Either don’t say anything or check your local laws. In the EU you can mention the GDPR, the Data Protection Authority in your country, and “remind them” the law has a thirty-day grace period to comply. Show your research and a willingness to follow through with something which has a change of affecting them.
rpastuszak 2y ago
OK, so I can’t access that for unless I either: - give consent for 3rd party tracking - pay €10 Regarding their language, yeah, this is just a scare tactic. Remember how 95% of Facebook users on iOS opted out from tracking after the iOS 14.5 update?
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pests 2y ago

That doesn't seem to work in the USA? I don't think any of this matters in the end FWIW, starting to sound eerily similar to the chain posts my uncle shares on FB telling them they don't have permission to use his photos....

jkaplowitz 2y ago
There is generally no requirement for consent for Meta to engage in these activities in the USA, unless they promise in some document like their privacy policy to honor the presence or absence of consent for US users. The situation is very different in Europe, for example, where they very much do need consent or one of a few other legal grounds that probably don’t apply to most of their AI training purposes.

lloeki 2y ago

> There should be absolutely no reason for Meta not to honor your request. There should be absolutely no reason for Meta to not have "Accept" and "Reject" buttons right there instead of a mere "Close" button in this UI and then jumping through hoops to post forms: https://postimg.cc/R3m6bSMk https://postimg.cc/R3m6bSMk

skilled 2y ago
For sure! This is all a clever trick on their part. Default opt-in and announced through in-app notifications. Total scum.
- lloeki 2y ago
  With such contrast and all, I didn't even notice that "right to object" was a link til late after I took that screenshot. I don't even know if it links to the form page. Also note that "Privacy Policy" has caps making it stand out a bit more, but not "right to object". This is also a modal so the moment you open the app is probably a moment where one wants to do something else so is very prompt to dismiss without reading, and then it vanishes forever.
- rpastuszak 2y ago
  Evil by Design by Chris Nodder (iirc) is an interesting book about this subject-using the seven cardinal sins as a dark UX pattern framework.

latexr 2y ago

> If my objection is not honored, I will cease using all Meta products indefinitely. I don’t think that’s an efficient threat. Too easy to make and they know almost no one will follow through. Either don’t say anything or check your local laws. In the EU you can mention the GDPR, the Data Protection Authority in your country, and “remind them” the law has a thirty-day grace period to comply. Show your research and a willingness to follow through with something which has a change of affecting them.

rpastuszak 2y ago

OK, so I can’t access that for unless I either: - give consent for 3rd party tracking - pay €10 Regarding their language, yeah, this is just a scare tactic. Remember how 95% of Facebook users on iOS opted out from tracking after the iOS 14.5 update?

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