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The main issue with "Cancel Adobe" is that it's very naïve to assume that a nontrivial percentage of people using it can realistically switch to something else.

dathinab 2y ago
yes but also by today there are a lot of good alternatives many more and much more mature ones then in the past
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  There's no alternative to Photoshop. And if you're going to say GIMP or Krita, you've never seriously worked with Photoshop.
  - berniedurfee 2y ago
    Same with Lightroom. I still use v4 and it’s still better than anything else available today. I try all the alternatives annually and nothing has as comprehensive and complete a toolset.
- genevra 2y ago
  Literally name one good alternative for Adobe Animate, After Effects, and Photoshop please
  - spectre3d 2y ago
    A good alternative to AE, especially for simpler stuff, is Apple Motion. It works in real time, unlike AE. I’ve chosen it over AE for all the animated titles I’ve worked on for the past 8 or so years and have had no issues. Opening AE to update old projects is a chore, never enjoyable. Motion is actually fun to use. I paid once, and they’ve been updating it for free since 2011.
    - genevra 2y ago
      How can I install that on Ubuntu? And I don't need a replacement for "simpler stuff". I appreciate the attempt but my point is there's nothing comparable at a pro level. If I had the ability to use creative cloud (which Mac does), I would of course use that.
      - jononor 2y ago
        Same way you install Adobe Photoshop, most likely. Using a Windows VM, or maybe Wine in a pinch.
        genevra 2y ago
        So essentially, you can't. That's the whole point. Send me a guide for the latest versions of creative cloud working with wine please. It'd be great to be proven wrong and gain 100% usefulness in Linux land :)
        jononor 2y ago
        Did you miss the part about a Windows VM? :)
        genevra 2y ago
        It appears you take "on Linux" as "on Windows on Linux", which is not the same The way you're interpreting things must mean you think all software is compatible with every operating system Reread my messages please :)
jerf 2y ago
If you limit your actions in life to only "the things that cause me zero inconvenience right now", you will be played like a fiddle your entire life. Literally everyone who wants to control in any way for any reason knows this one simple trick, and I don't just mean the big things, but the little things like marketing tricks, cell phone contracts, etc. If you get used to the need to occasionally take a short-term hit for a long-term win, it gets easier over time. It's a good thing to practice, in all senses of the term. If everyone actually did switch, the options would become better through the increased resources the alternatives would get.
crazygringo 2y ago
Seriously. It's losing many weeks of your life to retrain in alternatives to Premiere, Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects. If not months. Not to mention it's often simply not a choice at all, because you have to collaborate with people who only work in those file formats.
- berniedurfee 2y ago
  Not to mention there realistically aren’t any alternatives. For what it’s worth, their products are unfortunately still best in class in most categories.
  - genevra 2y ago
    This is my hugest gripe with Linux. Everything I normally use on Windows can be replaced with the exception of Adobe, and it massively affects any ability to be creative or use something like Ubuntu as a daily driver
  - vunderba 2y ago
    That's not entirely true at least for graphic design and video editing. Photoshop - Affinity Photo / Krita Premiere - Davinci Resolve Source: Have worked professionally with both Affinity and Resolve. after effects is probably more difficult to get away from though.
nuclearsugar 2y ago
Plus there really is no replacement for After Effects. Also I have 14 years of prior projects that I sometimes need to reopen, so canceling just isn't an option.
- genevra 2y ago
  Unfortunately extremely true for everything they make besides like Dreamweaver
- spectre3d 2y ago
  I have a lot of old AE projects I sometimes need to modify for clients, so I need AE for those. Since I can create the same titles/animations in Apple Motion in a fraction of the time that they take to create in AE, I use that for all newer projects.
- tripzilch 2y ago
  If you use a proprietary format and don't archive the executables to read them, it's simply not reasonable to expect such an archive to last 14 years. Nothing to do with this TOS change. You should have taken action when they started with the subscription model and creative cloud thing. People have been warning about this. But what were you supposed to do right? Use some software with the eraser in a weird place?? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40607704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40607704 It seems to me not worth the tradeoff.
nwallin 2y ago
If I'm reading the ToS correctly, it implies that a creative who uses Adobe products is granting Adobe a license to all content anyong creates on their platform. So this is something that can happen: 1. Alice signs the ToS, granted Adobe a non-exclusive license to all work created using Adobe products. 2. Disney (or insert your own litigious company here) hires Alice to do some art. Alice and Disney sign a contract that says Disney owns the IP to the art outright and Alice retains no rights to the work. 3. Alice makes the art. Alice gives the Art to Disney. Disney pays Alice. 4. Adobe thinks the art is great, and puts the art on stock.adobe.com, using the license that Alice granted them. 5. Chuck's Ads hires Bob to do some art; they sign a contract that allows Bob to use stock art for some of the elements. 6. Bob makes the art using stock art; specifically using Alice's art which Adobe has put on stock.adobe.com. 7. Bob sells the art to Chuck's Ads. Chuck's Ads runs the ad nationwide. The company who is making the advertised product likes the art and puts it on the box which is sold in stores. 8. Disney's flesh eating lawyers see the ad and start suing everybody. What happens to Alice? From where I sit, it seems like she gets hit by a breach of contract; she granted Adobe a license which she didn't have the right to grant. What happens to Bob? Certainly Chuck's Ads will get sued to Disney, and they won't be happy about it. It stands to reason that Chuck's Ads and/or Disney will sue Bob for breach of contract and/or copyright infringement respectively. You're correct. I'm not saying you're wrong. It is naive to assume people can just "Cancel Adobe." But it's also naive to assume people who get paid to use this product suite don't legally have to.

dathinab 2y ago

yes but also by today there are a lot of good alternatives many more and much more mature ones then in the past

bufferoverflow 2y ago
There's no alternative to Photoshop. And if you're going to say GIMP or Krita, you've never seriously worked with Photoshop.
- berniedurfee 2y ago
  Same with Lightroom. I still use v4 and it’s still better than anything else available today. I try all the alternatives annually and nothing has as comprehensive and complete a toolset.
genevra 2y ago
Literally name one good alternative for Adobe Animate, After Effects, and Photoshop please
- spectre3d 2y ago
  A good alternative to AE, especially for simpler stuff, is Apple Motion. It works in real time, unlike AE. I’ve chosen it over AE for all the animated titles I’ve worked on for the past 8 or so years and have had no issues. Opening AE to update old projects is a chore, never enjoyable. Motion is actually fun to use. I paid once, and they’ve been updating it for free since 2011.
  - genevra 2y ago
    How can I install that on Ubuntu? And I don't need a replacement for "simpler stuff". I appreciate the attempt but my point is there's nothing comparable at a pro level. If I had the ability to use creative cloud (which Mac does), I would of course use that.
    - jononor 2y ago
      Same way you install Adobe Photoshop, most likely. Using a Windows VM, or maybe Wine in a pinch.
      - genevra 2y ago
        So essentially, you can't. That's the whole point. Send me a guide for the latest versions of creative cloud working with wine please. It'd be great to be proven wrong and gain 100% usefulness in Linux land :)
        jononor 2y ago
        Did you miss the part about a Windows VM? :)
        genevra 2y ago
        It appears you take "on Linux" as "on Windows on Linux", which is not the same The way you're interpreting things must mean you think all software is compatible with every operating system Reread my messages please :)

jerf 2y ago

If you limit your actions in life to only "the things that cause me zero inconvenience right now", you will be played like a fiddle your entire life. Literally everyone who wants to control in any way for any reason knows this one simple trick, and I don't just mean the big things, but the little things like marketing tricks, cell phone contracts, etc. If you get used to the need to occasionally take a short-term hit for a long-term win, it gets easier over time. It's a good thing to practice, in all senses of the term. If everyone actually did switch, the options would become better through the increased resources the alternatives would get.

crazygringo 2y ago

Seriously. It's losing many weeks of your life to retrain in alternatives to Premiere, Illustrator, Photoshop, After Effects. If not months. Not to mention it's often simply not a choice at all, because you have to collaborate with people who only work in those file formats.

berniedurfee 2y ago
Not to mention there realistically aren’t any alternatives. For what it’s worth, their products are unfortunately still best in class in most categories.
- genevra 2y ago
  This is my hugest gripe with Linux. Everything I normally use on Windows can be replaced with the exception of Adobe, and it massively affects any ability to be creative or use something like Ubuntu as a daily driver
- vunderba 2y ago
  That's not entirely true at least for graphic design and video editing. Photoshop - Affinity Photo / Krita Premiere - Davinci Resolve Source: Have worked professionally with both Affinity and Resolve. after effects is probably more difficult to get away from though.

nuclearsugar 2y ago

Plus there really is no replacement for After Effects. Also I have 14 years of prior projects that I sometimes need to reopen, so canceling just isn't an option.

genevra 2y ago
Unfortunately extremely true for everything they make besides like Dreamweaver
spectre3d 2y ago
I have a lot of old AE projects I sometimes need to modify for clients, so I need AE for those. Since I can create the same titles/animations in Apple Motion in a fraction of the time that they take to create in AE, I use that for all newer projects.
tripzilch 2y ago
If you use a proprietary format and don't archive the executables to read them, it's simply not reasonable to expect such an archive to last 14 years. Nothing to do with this TOS change. You should have taken action when they started with the subscription model and creative cloud thing. People have been warning about this. But what were you supposed to do right? Use some software with the eraser in a weird place?? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40607704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40607704 It seems to me not worth the tradeoff.

nwallin 2y ago

If I'm reading the ToS correctly, it implies that a creative who uses Adobe products is granting Adobe a license to all content anyong creates on their platform. So this is something that can happen: 1. Alice signs the ToS, granted Adobe a non-exclusive license to all work created using Adobe products. 2. Disney (or insert your own litigious company here) hires Alice to do some art. Alice and Disney sign a contract that says Disney owns the IP to the art outright and Alice retains no rights to the work. 3. Alice makes the art. Alice gives the Art to Disney. Disney pays Alice. 4. Adobe thinks the art is great, and puts the art on stock.adobe.com, using the license that Alice granted them. 5. Chuck's Ads hires Bob to do some art; they sign a contract that allows Bob to use stock art for some of the elements. 6. Bob makes the art using stock art; specifically using Alice's art which Adobe has put on stock.adobe.com. 7. Bob sells the art to Chuck's Ads. Chuck's Ads runs the ad nationwide. The company who is making the advertised product likes the art and puts it on the box which is sold in stores. 8. Disney's flesh eating lawyers see the ad and start suing everybody. What happens to Alice? From where I sit, it seems like she gets hit by a breach of contract; she granted Adobe a license which she didn't have the right to grant. What happens to Bob? Certainly Chuck's Ads will get sued to Disney, and they won't be happy about it. It stands to reason that Chuck's Ads and/or Disney will sue Bob for breach of contract and/or copyright infringement respectively. You're correct. I'm not saying you're wrong. It is naive to assume people can just "Cancel Adobe." But it's also naive to assume people who get paid to use this product suite don't legally have to.