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Can you describe how Adobe would generate a thumbnail preview without accessing your content?

by jf22 2y ago

hnbad 2y ago
Well, considering how GitHub's ToS was defended as "but they need it to host your code" and was what ended up as their justification for feeding all of your code into Copilot, I don't think that argument aged well. They could specify a minimal set of permissions they need from you to offer their service but they deliberately worded it as ambiguously as possible to allow them to change their mind later. The question isn't what they need it for, the question is what they can justify later with the language they use now.
- jf22 2y ago
  I didn't make an argument. I was just pointing out even creating a thumbnail requires accessing your data.
HWR_14 2y ago
Locally, on my machine.
lelandfe 2y ago
The corpo jargon has gotten to you! "Access" doesn't mean "the app accesses a file on your computer." It means the company has access to your data. You would be forgiven for thinking this, as I assume it was their intent that you be confused. The phrase refers to 2.2 "Our Access to Your Content" - https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html Anyway, I have utmost faith that an app can open and edit files without calling home.
- jf22 2y ago
  I'd disagree and say the ToS is written broadly enough that opening a file on your computer is covered.
  - lelandfe 2y ago
    I... yes? I'm sure their ToS covers opening a file. That page is not talking about filesystem access, however.
    - jf22 2y ago
      I left a comment in response to a person mocking a use case regarding thumbnail creation, not the content in the page.
tsukikage 2y ago
Can you explain how showing my content to a human employed by an Adobe subsidiary helps with thumbnail preview generation?
ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
The quote is, > Access is needed for Adobe applications and services to perform the functions they are designed and used for. ...which boils down to, 'we need access to your stuff to do what we want'... which is not very reassuring. The thumbnail example was just 1 example. Another example would be an adobe service designed for training AI on your content. As long as the service designed for training AI on your content only accesses and uses your data for training AI on your content, it would be in compliance with these terms.

Can you describe how Adobe would generate a thumbnail preview without accessing your content?

by jf22 2y ago

Can you describe how Adobe would generate a thumbnail preview without accessing your content?

Well, considering how GitHub's ToS was defended as "but they need it to host your code" and was what ended up as their justification for feeding all of your code into Copilot, I don't think that argument aged well. They could specify a minimal set of permissions they need from you to offer their service but they deliberately worded it as ambiguously as possible to allow them to change their mind later. The question isn't what they need it for, the question is what they can justify later with the language they use now.

jf22 2y ago
I didn't make an argument. I was just pointing out even creating a thumbnail requires accessing your data.

HWR_14 2y ago

Locally, on my machine.

lelandfe 2y ago

The corpo jargon has gotten to you! "Access" doesn't mean "the app accesses a file on your computer." It means the company has access to your data. You would be forgiven for thinking this, as I assume it was their intent that you be confused. The phrase refers to 2.2 "Our Access to Your Content" - https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html Anyway, I have utmost faith that an app can open and edit files without calling home.

jf22 2y ago
I'd disagree and say the ToS is written broadly enough that opening a file on your computer is covered.
- lelandfe 2y ago
  I... yes? I'm sure their ToS covers opening a file. That page is not talking about filesystem access, however.
  - jf22 2y ago
    I left a comment in response to a person mocking a use case regarding thumbnail creation, not the content in the page.

tsukikage 2y ago

Can you explain how showing my content to a human employed by an Adobe subsidiary helps with thumbnail preview generation?

ImPostingOnHN 2y ago

The quote is, > Access is needed for Adobe applications and services to perform the functions they are designed and used for. ...which boils down to, 'we need access to your stuff to do what we want'... which is not very reassuring. The thumbnail example was just 1 example. Another example would be an adobe service designed for training AI on your content. As long as the service designed for training AI on your content only accesses and uses your data for training AI on your content, it would be in compliance with these terms.