At the end of the day, all of this discussion does not detract anything from my original point: > You would be surprised about the sheer number of spaniards th

At the end of the day, all of this discussion does not detract anything from my original point: > You would be surprised about the sheer number of spaniards that would welcome this second-order effect. Lots of spaniards would clap at this, even if they're mistaken (what your arguing for). So peter335's argument would not be listened to.