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Just make them fully pay for the consequences of their lack of willpower. An elegant, simple to apply and moral solution.

consp 2y ago
> their lack of willpower Which is almost never the problem. Socioeconomic status mostly is. By claiming it's willpower you are going for the "poor people are lazy" cow manure.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  I don't think this is obviously true, if it is true. You're the one equating money with obesity. You shouldn't do that and then instantly deride the previous person for doing it. They didn't.
  - throwawayqqq11 2y ago
    So, socioeconomic status vs personality traits it is? How does personality develop? Is it somehow inherent to sub-humans or a product of ones environment? Of course its a socioeconomic factor. If you try to argue against this one, you have essentially only the other option left and derserve to be ripped apart in the comments. Others have asked for the root cause before, here is my grand take: better education <- fair taxation <- social mobility <- wealth distribution <- matured laicists and a healthy democracy. I tried to put capitalism in there but it just lingers all over it. That socialist take is also my broad explanaition why other developed countries habe better health metrics. Guess what happens when you argue against this one :)
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      > Guess what happens when you argue against this one :) I'll assume you'll either accidentally or deliberately find a way to box what I'm saying into a much narrower confine, which you will then threaten to beat the straw out of. Given it's happened twice now. > Of course its a socioeconomic factor. If you try to argue against this one, you have essentially only the other option left and derserve to be ripped apart in the comments. What is the other option?
      - throwawayqqq11 2y ago
        My arugment is basically nature vs nurture. Is the lack of will power learned or inherited. The complex socioeconomic environmemt does play a huge role imo, the other indefensible option is the racist one. Which one is yours?
jijijijij 2y ago
Ah yes, medication and social darwinism. The most American virtues.
paulmd 2y ago
Obese people generally have lower lifetime healthcare spending. The third knee replacement and a year in assisted living is expensive, and in the US that senior-care cost is primarily borne by the government as opposed to the health insurance paid by the working. Which is why ozempic blows up the federal budget - obese people dying young is a very cheap solution to the problem, and it’s not a cost that’s borne by the government.

consp 2y ago

> their lack of willpower Which is almost never the problem. Socioeconomic status mostly is. By claiming it's willpower you are going for the "poor people are lazy" cow manure.

robertlagrant 2y ago
I don't think this is obviously true, if it is true. You're the one equating money with obesity. You shouldn't do that and then instantly deride the previous person for doing it. They didn't.
- throwawayqqq11 2y ago
  So, socioeconomic status vs personality traits it is? How does personality develop? Is it somehow inherent to sub-humans or a product of ones environment? Of course its a socioeconomic factor. If you try to argue against this one, you have essentially only the other option left and derserve to be ripped apart in the comments. Others have asked for the root cause before, here is my grand take: better education <- fair taxation <- social mobility <- wealth distribution <- matured laicists and a healthy democracy. I tried to put capitalism in there but it just lingers all over it. That socialist take is also my broad explanaition why other developed countries habe better health metrics. Guess what happens when you argue against this one :)
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    > Guess what happens when you argue against this one :) I'll assume you'll either accidentally or deliberately find a way to box what I'm saying into a much narrower confine, which you will then threaten to beat the straw out of. Given it's happened twice now. > Of course its a socioeconomic factor. If you try to argue against this one, you have essentially only the other option left and derserve to be ripped apart in the comments. What is the other option?
    - throwawayqqq11 2y ago
      My arugment is basically nature vs nurture. Is the lack of will power learned or inherited. The complex socioeconomic environmemt does play a huge role imo, the other indefensible option is the racist one. Which one is yours?

jijijijij 2y ago

Ah yes, medication and social darwinism. The most American virtues.

paulmd 2y ago

Obese people generally have lower lifetime healthcare spending. The third knee replacement and a year in assisted living is expensive, and in the US that senior-care cost is primarily borne by the government as opposed to the health insurance paid by the working. Which is why ozempic blows up the federal budget - obese people dying young is a very cheap solution to the problem, and it’s not a cost that’s borne by the government.