> find it awkward and cumbersome Without knowing what (if anything!) they don't find awkward and cumbersome, that is not very useful. Data is very biased in t

> find it awkward and cumbersome Without knowing what (if anything!) they don't find awkward and cumbersome, that is not very useful. Data is very biased in this space, because the Lisp family receives a lot of drive by visits from language nomads. A good chunk of those people find programming awkward and cumbersome. They are having a hard time, and blame the tools. Lisp is not going to fix someone who can't learn C++ or Java (or whatever) to save their life, but blogging about their disappointing experience will generate flak for Lisp. I'm saying that if you don't find it easy to edit Lisp, you can't be "normal". You must have dyslexia, ADHD or whatever. Show me how well you can work with C, Rust, Makefiles, Shell scripts, CSS, JavaScript, Kotlin, assembly language, and whatever else before I believe that you're having a problem with Lisp and nothing else. Lisp is not a refuge for those who can't hack it. I can see how some people might make that false interpretation, by a false association of tenuously related ideas. A language or language family that is under-used is not automatically something that is suitable for or used by the inept or the misfits. Programming language fringe and cognitive fringe are totally different categories.