Absolutely; but again, if I'm the lawyer on the other side, I'm pretty confident that I'm beating any "expert" on this with the simple logic of: - You put thin

Absolutely; but again, if I'm the lawyer on the other side, I'm pretty confident that I'm beating any "expert" on this with the simple logic of: - You put thing into the machine - You press buttons, it makes obvious derivative work - You don't put thing into the machine, and it can't do that anymore. There is "something" in there GENERATING COPIES and we see exactly where it came from, even if we can't identify it in the code or whatever.