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RealID requires a social security card and is mostly about making it difficult for poor people to vote. Data exchange between DMVs or for other non-law enforce

RealID requires a social security card and is mostly about making it difficult for poor people to vote. Data exchange between DMVs or for other non-law enforcement purposes is coordinated through AAMVA. You can see what states exchange data here: (https://www.aamva.org/it-systems-participation-map https://www.aamva.org/it-systems-participation-map). There are loopholes that people exploit - for example NJ registered trucks won't be subject to registration action in NY... so you can accumulate lots of tickets in NYC with no consequence. Some Canadian provinces exchange data between individual states as well. A system called Nlets connects every jurisdiction for law enforcement purposes.

jonathankoren 2y ago
> RealID requires a social security card and is mostly about making it difficult for poor people to vote. Bruh. If you don't have a social security number, you can't even work legally. Also, 99% of people born in the US[0] get them at birth. What are you talking about? [0] I on the other hand, didn't get one until I was about 8 years old, because my parents wanted to hide me from the draft, but that's now the draft works, and you need a social security number for all sorts of stuff now, like tax deductions.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  There’s a difference between having a social security number and a social security card. You need a number to work. You need the card for real id. Replacement of a lost card is onerous. For a minor, incredibly onerous - you need a healthcare provider to sign a statement identifying the minor. (Good luck with that)
  - elcritch 2y ago
    I got a real id compliant drivers license last year and didn’t need my SS card.
    - Muromec 2y ago
      Maybe you are not in the target demography for this particular enforcement bias if the agenda mentioned by the person bringing up the theory is legit.
      - kelnos 2y ago
        No, the person bringing it up is just wrong. Some states may require proof of SSN in order to get a REAL ID, but many (such as California) do not, and as such, that means the federal requirements that the states have to comply with in order to issue REAL IDs does not require proof of SSN.
        Spooky23 2y ago
        They require verification, and states have the ability to choose how they do so.
  - aidenn0 2y ago
    > Replacement of a lost card is onerous. For a minor, incredibly onerous - you need a healthcare provider to sign a statement identifying the minor. (Good luck with that) Huh? All you need for a child of yours under 12 is: 1. Birth certificate for child 2. Proof that you are a parent (usually #1 plus a government issued ID covers this; an adoption order may be needed if you aren't on the birth certificate) 3. Proof that the child was alive recently. Either medical or school records will cover this; it needs to have parent and child's name on it. If the child over 12, you need the above, plus the child must present themselves at an office, preferrably with a photo ID (it need not be government issued; e.g. a school ID is fine). If your child doesn't have a photo ID, the individual officer may be a bit persnickety in this case, so having both medical and school records are good, though may not be required. As an aside, if the child has a passport (possibly even a recently expired one) you're basically good to go, since it establishes both identity and citizenship.
  - jonathankoren 2y ago
    You're just making things up. Nothing you've said is true.
davchana 2y ago
In California, you need social security (number only, not card), only if you are eligible for one, or has one. If you are on a non immigrant non work visa, and thus are not eligible to work/ssn, you still can get REAL ID. Not every REAL ID holder is a citizen & thus eligible to vote. Real ID needs only proof of legal status (citizen, permanent resident, tourist, work permit, study vis etc) and address.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  Thank you for clarifying a corner case. A US citizen requires proof of SSN, either a social security card or W2. This is a heavy burden for many people.
  - vetinari 2y ago
    Why it is a heavy burden for a citizen? (I'm not an US citizen, but even I have SSN).
    - kelnos 2y ago
      Proof of SSN might be difficult for some people. I know lots of people who have lost their Social Security Card, or at least have no idea where it is. (Regardless, the GP is incorrect; proof of SSN is not a REAL ID requirement, at least not in every state. If a state requires proof of SSN, they're going above and beyond what the feds require.)
      - sureIy 2y ago
        This stuff is ridiculous to me. Unless you are an unlawful immigrant from a war-torn country, you certainly are registered somewhere that can prove your identity. If I lose every single ID and show up at my birth town city hall with my full name and birth date, I am certain they will be able to identify me and produce a valid document via cross checks. Why is it so hard for Americans to have an ID?
        2y ago
thatcat 2y ago
RealID is about biometeric collection. The requirement date keeps moving because if it is not required, but seems like it will be soon, then more people will consent voluntarily.

jonathankoren 2y ago

> RealID requires a social security card and is mostly about making it difficult for poor people to vote. Bruh. If you don't have a social security number, you can't even work legally. Also, 99% of people born in the US[0] get them at birth. What are you talking about? [0] I on the other hand, didn't get one until I was about 8 years old, because my parents wanted to hide me from the draft, but that's now the draft works, and you need a social security number for all sorts of stuff now, like tax deductions.

Spooky23 2y ago
There’s a difference between having a social security number and a social security card. You need a number to work. You need the card for real id. Replacement of a lost card is onerous. For a minor, incredibly onerous - you need a healthcare provider to sign a statement identifying the minor. (Good luck with that)
- elcritch 2y ago
  I got a real id compliant drivers license last year and didn’t need my SS card.
  - Muromec 2y ago
    Maybe you are not in the target demography for this particular enforcement bias if the agenda mentioned by the person bringing up the theory is legit.
    - kelnos 2y ago
      No, the person bringing it up is just wrong. Some states may require proof of SSN in order to get a REAL ID, but many (such as California) do not, and as such, that means the federal requirements that the states have to comply with in order to issue REAL IDs does not require proof of SSN.
      - Spooky23 2y ago
        They require verification, and states have the ability to choose how they do so.
- aidenn0 2y ago
  > Replacement of a lost card is onerous. For a minor, incredibly onerous - you need a healthcare provider to sign a statement identifying the minor. (Good luck with that) Huh? All you need for a child of yours under 12 is: 1. Birth certificate for child 2. Proof that you are a parent (usually #1 plus a government issued ID covers this; an adoption order may be needed if you aren't on the birth certificate) 3. Proof that the child was alive recently. Either medical or school records will cover this; it needs to have parent and child's name on it. If the child over 12, you need the above, plus the child must present themselves at an office, preferrably with a photo ID (it need not be government issued; e.g. a school ID is fine). If your child doesn't have a photo ID, the individual officer may be a bit persnickety in this case, so having both medical and school records are good, though may not be required. As an aside, if the child has a passport (possibly even a recently expired one) you're basically good to go, since it establishes both identity and citizenship.
- jonathankoren 2y ago
  You're just making things up. Nothing you've said is true.

davchana 2y ago

In California, you need social security (number only, not card), only if you are eligible for one, or has one. If you are on a non immigrant non work visa, and thus are not eligible to work/ssn, you still can get REAL ID. Not every REAL ID holder is a citizen & thus eligible to vote. Real ID needs only proof of legal status (citizen, permanent resident, tourist, work permit, study vis etc) and address.

Spooky23 2y ago
Thank you for clarifying a corner case. A US citizen requires proof of SSN, either a social security card or W2. This is a heavy burden for many people.
- vetinari 2y ago
  Why it is a heavy burden for a citizen? (I'm not an US citizen, but even I have SSN).
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Proof of SSN might be difficult for some people. I know lots of people who have lost their Social Security Card, or at least have no idea where it is. (Regardless, the GP is incorrect; proof of SSN is not a REAL ID requirement, at least not in every state. If a state requires proof of SSN, they're going above and beyond what the feds require.)
    - sureIy 2y ago
      This stuff is ridiculous to me. Unless you are an unlawful immigrant from a war-torn country, you certainly are registered somewhere that can prove your identity. If I lose every single ID and show up at my birth town city hall with my full name and birth date, I am certain they will be able to identify me and produce a valid document via cross checks. Why is it so hard for Americans to have an ID?
      - 2y ago

thatcat 2y ago

RealID is about biometeric collection. The requirement date keeps moving because if it is not required, but seems like it will be soon, then more people will consent voluntarily.